Thread: Rudolf Hess’s Remains Removed From Grave

hmm I follow world war too, have heard the name Hess but never heard the story of him parachuting in to Scotland. Need to read more.

That was one crazy son of a bitch.

Originally Posted by xis

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. The man was partly responsible for the rape, murder and god knows what other horrible acts on innocent people and we're supposed to worry about desecrating his grave? What about the countless that didn't even get a proper grave? What about those that watched their parents burned alive only to be led into the same chambers to be burned alive next.

I didn't even bother reading the article but I say piss on his grave when you're done with it. Anyone who carries out or helps carry out such acts will never get sympathy from me.

You guys are starting to lose me here. Before you begin throwing out judgement/responsibility you may want to do research on Hess. Although he had titles of a party leader, he was simply a devout lap dog. He took very little part in the domestic/foreign policies that were carried out, or it's leadership. Just a highly visible and loyal member of the party, with a fanatical view of Germany that swept over millions of ethnic Germans alike.

By no means do I advocate neonazi movements, or have remorse toward the former party's leadership. The Nazis plunged Germany into an abyss, and executed the most heinous crimes known in modern history. But this doesn't make them all guilty of rape/murder.

Winston Churchill:

Reflecting upon the whole of the story, I am glad not to be responsible for the way in which Hess has been and is being treated. Whatever may be the moral guilt of a German who stood near to Hitler, Hess had, in my view, atoned for this by his completely devoted and frantic deed of lunatic benevolence. He came to us of his own free will, and, though without authority, had something of the quality of an envoy. He was a medical and not a criminal case, and should be so regarded.

I am quite familiar with the implications placed on the general army. You only make my point for me. You cannot convict an individual for the crimes of an organization. Or vice versa. This was a very complicated, clouded, and violent circumstance.

Fair enough.

Though I still implore anyone reading this thread to take on a full understanding of this history. The German people were as guilty of what happened as it's leaders and the rest of the world in a lot of ways. It is why there is such a strong conviction to national shame, Germans want to have nothing to do with it. Simple reason, this must be left behind them, as without that they may see a future possibility of being a part of it again.

We are all guilty of this crime in many ways. History teaches a harsh lesson about humans, and what they are capable of during very difficult times. WWII is only one example.

I just ask people consider what drove this to fruition and not be so quick to judge individuals.

Originally Posted by GReYVee

I am quite familiar with the implications placed on the general army. You only make my point for me. You cannot convict an individual for the crimes of an organization. Or vice versa. This was a very complicated, clouded, and violent circumstance.

I don't necessarily agree with this. I do think that an individual has responsibility for the organizations that they're a part of, or that they support. If he didn't know about the atrocities, which I find unlikely, then that's one thing, but if he did, and supported the party anyway, he's responsible.