Rick Perry is a raging idiot.

**dex71** · 08-24-11, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

and as the amazingly wise and mysteriously sexy Dylan McKay once said "You don't have to be perfect; that's not why I love you"
**siiiiiigh**

And that's all the proof you need guys.

*tear*

90210....Proof of evolution....and God.

**Alundil** · 08-24-11, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Thorsen

Hmmm. I don't see why the man's private beliefs, as unfounded as they are, should really affect his viability as a president. Look at his policies, his voting record etc.

As for the science discussion, it's a good one and most of the major points have been made.

The simplest way to describe it is that science is what we use to understand reality. Everything we know about electronics, engineering, biology, mathematics, cosmology, physics and a plethora of other "natural" subjects is due to tge scientific method. In that way, we can ALL agree that while science is NOT 100% accurate it is DEFINITIVELY the best system humans have ever had to understand our reality.

Religion is based off belief, it's not based off science. There's not a lot to say about religion. It's not used to understand reality as much as it's used to understand the supernatural or the philosophical. Religion is not supported by physical evidence, but it doesn't need to be. You either believe or you don't. I don't personally believe in any religion or gods, but I'm not here to judge those to whom religion makes sense, or to whom it provides comfort or reason.

I think it's important to understand the distinction though. You can't ask for proof of religion because science doesn't study the supernatural, science is, by definition the study of nature. You also can't draw an equivalency between science and religion. Science is based off real physical evidence, studies, tests, data, data and more data, religion is based off stories, religion is really something to be taken or left at face value, either the story of a particular religion strikes you in such a way as to convince you, or it does not, a religion cannot persuade you through force of evidence, since the supernatural is outside of the realm of proof.

Anyway I'm rambling and it's late, hopefully this post still makes sense to me in the morning.

Excellent post Thorsen. I've said almost the exact same things about the exact same disconnected between people who seem be "line in the sand" science vs. religion. The two are un-comparable. (sp)

**Xavsnipe** · 08-24-11, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

*tear*

90210....Proof of evolution....and God.

hahahahha

**WickedTribe** · 08-24-11, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by BruceBloodMaster

When someone can show me Direct skeletal remains from Amphibian to 21st Century Man then I'll believe in your evolution theory. Till then continue with your name calling sticks and stones.......... ! In any event when you Die then you'll know whether or not God made it or not.

Define "direct." Unless you can view every single organism between ancestor X and modern humans, then you're going to have "gaps." Fossilization is very rare, so that's obviously not going to happen, but that doesn't weaken the theory. That's like saying, "I'll believe in the cellular theory if you show me that every organism on earth is composed of cells." What I can say is that every single fossil ever found has supported evolution. None have supported creationism. Every analysis of DNA ever performed has supported evolution, none have supported creationism. We can't ever have every piece of data, it's impossible, but the fact that every piece of data that we do have supports evolution says a great deal. The fact that there's exactly zero evidence in support of "magic did it," also says a great deal. These are not competing explanations.

**WickedTribe** · 08-24-11, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by flame

From your source: +269,500 over the year; +29,300 over the past month
More jobs over the past year than any other state. At the top for jobs over the past month. 80,000 more jobs over the past year than the next highest state. Like I said, Texas is doing well under good leadership.

Yes, Texas is up there with Michigan in terms of recovery stats. You can say that that's because of strong leadership, or you can say that they both fell much farther, and that it's easier improve from a lower baseline. Either way, Perry's leadership might be responsible for their climb out of their current hole, but he was also running things when they found their way into it.

**space.cowboy** · 08-24-11, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

The fact that there's exactly zero evidence in support of "magic did it," also says a great deal. These are not competing explanations.

No, but there was that book... you know... thousands of years ago. That one. That says its true.

**Captain Coors** · 08-24-11, 01:17 PM

Much of Texas job growth is from policies awarding tax breaks and subsidies to companies to move to Texas or encourage job growth. Not exactly free enterprise conservatism at work there.

Texas also has a high proportion of government jobs.

And Texas accepted several billion dollars of stimulus funds to plug what would have been a massive deficit in their budget.

I'm failing to see how Perry is this revolutionary job creator or budget master. He pretty much follows the formula every governor does, republican or democrat alike.

**MaFioSo** · 08-24-11, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Define "direct." Unless you can view every single organism between ancestor X and modern humans, then you're going to have "gaps." Fossilization is very rare, so that's obviously not going to happen, but that doesn't weaken the theory. That's like saying, "I'll believe in the cellular theory if you show me that every organism on earth is composed of cells." What I can say is that every single fossil ever found has supported evolution. None have supported creationism. Every analysis of DNA ever performed has supported evolution, none have supported creationism. We can't ever have every piece of data, it's impossible, but the fact that every piece of data that we do have supports evolution says a great deal. The fact that there's exactly zero evidence in support of "magic did it," also says a great deal. These are not competing explanations.

+1, however there are still some big questions that have not been answered. Also religion is not scientific and science can not explain for it. They other day I watching a show called "I survived beyond and back". The show is about people that have had literally died and comeback to life. From what I watched most of them had been legally dead (heart stopped) anywhere from 5 - 20 minutes. In their narration of the events most of them speak of entering a another world, seeing a bright light, have a feeling of ecstasy, etc. Whats also interesting is that many of their stories have a lot of similarities. So how can science account for this?

Also remember that creationism is not believed by all religions. There are other religions such as Buddhism, who do not contradict evolution or the study of science. Just remember that science can only measure, evaluate and test things in are life but that doesn't mean that their isn't a different level of consciousness.

Edit: Also remember that scientist once thought the earth was flat.In a thousand years from now scientist may or may not have a different explanation for life on earth. And actually the origin of life on earth is yet to be discovered.

**space.cowboy** · 08-24-11, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

+1, however there are still some big questions that have not been answered. Also religion is not scientific and science can not explain for it. They other day I watching a show called "I survived beyond and back". The show is about people that have had literally died and comeback to life. From what I watched most of them had been legally dead (heart stopped) anywhere from 5 - 20 minutes. In their narration of the events most of them speak of entering a another world, seeing a bright light, have a feeling of ecstasy, etc. Whats also interesting is that many of their stories have a lot of similarities. So how can science account for this?

Pending circumstances, the brain is still very much alive and, to a degree, active when your heart stops beating and you cease breathing (aka you're clinically dead). Obviously research into this area would be highly controversial, but its not a huge stretch to imagine any information stored in the brain during this state would likely be unintelligible, leading to those sensations of "euphoria" or seeing the "bright light."

**CivilWars** · 08-24-11, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Nope; someone said something idiotic and was called on it. He can stick his head in the sand and go "Na na na na" all he wants, but he's still flat out wrong.

Great, so when you talk about the voices in your head then I have the right to call you a fucking psychopath? I will remember that. My point still stands.

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