So, terrorists?

**SmokenScion** · 09-09-11, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

Sigh....you know nobody said that and obviously I don't believe in that conspiracy. Just because I believe that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy does not mean that I am some retard conspiracy theorist with no intelligence as your comment is implying.

Really? A retard? That's a retard conspiracy theory. You've had too much caffeine today.
I got it from that Mel Gibson Conspiracy movie, But with the Earthquake in Virginia, you wonder if Washington doesn't steal from Hollywood and not the other way around.

**Warprosper** · 09-09-11, 03:00 PM

Well put Thor

**Thorsen** · 09-09-11, 03:01 PM

As an aside. The steel melting point is a red herring, and a monster of one at that. It doesn't matter what temperature steel MELTS at, it matters at what temperature steel needs to be to lose a sufficient amount of load-bearing strength to cause catastrophic failure.

Again, if you actually bothered to READ THE OFFICIAL STORY, you would know this already. The idea that a steel structure needs it's steel to actually melt is ludicrous. Large buildings are PRECISELY engineered. They didn't design the WTC towers to stand up to steel containing only a fraction of it's original strength. And anyone who understands building construction will know that when your load-bearing structure gives way, the gig is up.

*EDIT* I meant to say NIST report not 9.11 commission report in my posts. I have read some parts of both, but the NIST report is more pertinent to the subject at hand. It's more technical and based more on the tower collapses.

**DJ Ms. White** · 09-09-11, 03:05 PM

Come on, Thorsen, I thought I already showed you concrete proof that the tower collapse was planned. Use yer noggin.

**619summon** · 09-09-11, 03:09 PM

its really one simple question. has/is the united states goverment is/has ever kept anyting secret from its citizens.

yes / no

for me its seems kinda guileless, to believe the goverment has never withheld data from the public. they are and always willl in some capacity. And im not talking military secrets, or anything of that sort. just real clandestine-surreptitious goverment actions and intell.

**Thorsen** · 09-09-11, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by 619summon

its really one simple question. has/is the united states goverment is/has ever kept anyting secret from its citizens.

yes / no

for me its seems kinda guileless, to believe the goverment has never withheld data from the public. they are and always willl in some capacity. And im not talking military secrets, or anything of that sort. just real clandestine-surreptitious goverment actions and intell.

This is sort of off topic and not related to 9/11 at all. But of COURSE the government keeps things from the public. All kinds of things are highly classified.

But in terms of wide reaching conspiracy hypotheses, I have never seen any evidence presented to adequately support them.

**PvtPrivate** · 09-09-11, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

So if I believe that that the government could have prevented those attacks I would also be labeled a 9/11 conspiracy believer?

Does me believing that the government had possible intel about these attacks make me believe in all the other dumb shit conspiracy theories?

Its one thing to believe that the government could have prevented it.Its another thing to believe that they did it so they could rally up the country so they could invade Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

**RudeMood** · 09-09-11, 03:14 PM

A building support structure is like a Jenga puzzle. You can remove parts of it, sometimes even most of it. But if messed with it will eventually come down.

I've been in construction the better part of my life. Each material has it's breaking point. That is why each material has its own job, and together they make a building.

**Xavsnipe** · 09-09-11, 03:19 PM

Didn't I say we were going down this path? Now I have to write up a post with highlighted topic and then elaborate on that topic. It's been done...Both sides will try to discredit themselves with their evidence.

All I'm saying is, hey...forget about conspiracy...forget about government involvement...forget about terrorists...look at the facts...look at the scientific research...look at the technical findings and professional conclusions. I don't know if you're an engineer Thorsen, but that's the reason I've researched about it is because I'm not...so I want to understand how was it possible for those towers to fall (for one) and many other questions I had and have just at first glance (not going into who and why and what happened next)... If it was Mohamed Atta and his childhood buddies or Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney and the owl at the bohemian grove is besides the point.