Thread: So, terrorists?

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Didn't I say we were going down this path? Now I have to write up a post with highlighted topic and then elaborate on that topic. It's been done...Both sides will try to discredit themselves with their evidence.

All I'm saying is, hey...forget about conspiracy...forget about government involvement...forget about terrorists...look at the facts...look at the scientific research...look at the technical findings and professional conclusions. I don't know if you're an engineer Thorsen, but that's the reason I've researched about it is because I'm not...so I want to understand how was it possible for those towers to fall (for one) and many other questions I had and have just at first glance (not going into who and why and what happened next)... If it was Mohamed Atta and his childhood buddies or Bush, Wolfowitz, Cheney and the owl at the bohemian grove is besides the point.

I always enjoy a good debate. I'm game if you're game. So throw out some points and I'll address them. That's what this forum is for. Or don't, if you don't feel like it. I don't care if it's been done before, I hope people will read this thread and learn something important or interesting. It's not a bother to me, I love a good argument.

You still haven't provided any concrete claims or links to reports or references. I recommend the NIST report for anyone with a LOT of free time and an interest in the official investigation, or the topic in general.

WTC Disaster Study

Originally Posted by Thorsen

But in terms of wide reaching conspiracy hypotheses, I have never seen any evidence presented to adequately support them.

But listen man!!!! The proof is in that there is no proof man!!! They're covering it all up man!!!

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

So I choose to believe 1,500 plus professional engineers and architects...you choose to believe NIST and the 9/11 commission...fair enough.

I wouldn't make this the basis for my argument. 1,500 engineers in not a lot when you consider all the engineers in the USA or the world. I'm sure if someone invested the time and the money, they could get more than 1,500 engineers to say that the fire caused the collapse. I haven't read your previous posts so I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, I just don't think its a good argument.

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

I wouldn't make this the basis for my argument. 1,500 engineers in not a lot when you consider all the engineers in the USA or the world. I'm sure if someone invested the time and the money, they could get more than 1,500 engineers to say that the fire caused the collapse. I haven't read your previous posts so I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with you, I just don't think its a good argument.

Well the real problem with this is that it's an opinion poll basically. If I asked 1000 chefs if they thought my cooking was good and they all said "no" that would be pretty definitive. But if I asked 1000 geneticists if they think my ancestry is more Irish or Scottish, and they all just made an assumption based off my appearance or something, it would NOT be definitive.

Just because you're an engineer doesn't make your assumptions or opinions more correct when speaking about engineering. You are still held to the same level of evidence as anyone else. You might be more capable of PRODUCING such evidence, but none of these 1500 engineers have. All they've done is essentially say "Yeah I think the government did it."

That's not science, that's not architecture, that's not engineering, it's pure opinion, nothing more.

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

Really? A retard? That's a retard conspiracy theory. You've had too much caffeine today.
I got it from that Mel Gibson Conspiracy movie, But with the Earthquake in Virginia, you wonder if Washington doesn't steal from Hollywood and not the other way around.

As I said before, I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means. Out of all the conspiracy theories out there, the only that I believe has some traction is the JFK assassination. And if you look into the facts before and after the assassination, the notion that that other people besides Lee Harvey Oswald were involved is not far fetched by any means.

I have to go to work now. I'll get back to this lively discussion later

So stay tuned.

Originally Posted by Thorsen

Well the real problem with this is that it's an opinion poll basically. If I asked 1000 chefs if they thought my cooking was good and they all said "no" that would be pretty definitive. But if I asked 1000 geneticists if they think my ancestry is more Irish or Scottish, and they all just made an assumption based off my appearance or something, it would NOT be definitive.

Just because you're an engineer doesn't make your assumptions or opinions more correct when speaking about engineering. You are still held to the same level of evidence as anyone else. You might be more capable of PRODUCING such evidence, but none of these 1500 engineers have. All they've done is essentially say "Yeah I think the government did it."

That's not science, that's not architecture, that's not engineering, it's pure opinion, nothing more.

Just go to their website...and look at some documentaries. It's harmless to listen and learn what the other side has to say. Just quite simply scientific, technical, architectural, engineering facts. All they're focused on is a new investigation of what happened, seeing as, in their opinion, there are many many holes in the reports by NIST and the 9/11 commission.

There are hole because when was the last time a fully fueled jumbo jet flew into a skyscraper on purpose? Maybe we can do some live testing to figure out who is correct.

Well, not on purpose but there have been cases where jumbo jets have flown into skyscrapers by accident before. Albeit, much smaller than the ones that struck the WTC towers.