Hell yeah Ron!!

**deathgodusmc** · 09-20-11, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood what part of my post you were talking about. The Paulites were all over the place in 2008 up until McCain won the primary, obviously. I still remember seeing groups of them alongside the road here. Never saw that with Obama or McCain supporters. The Ron Paul worship is by far the most intense I have ever seen.

Then your using your selective memory.

**DR.F33LG00D** · 09-20-11, 05:30 PM

Senator, are you suggesting that heroin and prostitution are an exercise of liberty?

In essence, If I leave it to the state, it's going to be up to the states.

Don't have to worry about it here.

**Fovezer** · 09-20-11, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by BrockSamson

You should get your facts correct sir. He may not personally approve of gay marriage but he sure as hell doesn't want the government involved in that decision.

Ron Paul "Get the government out of marriage" - SC Republican Debate 5/5/2011 - YouTube

Ron Paul on legalizing drugs and gay marriage - SC Republican debate 5/5/2011 - YouTube

....so he's anti-gay marriage. That's what I said. And he has even said he supports DOMA. He supports allowing states to "to decide" about gay marriage, which means ban. So my facts are quite correct. You're just arguing semantics.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Then your using your selective memory.

Nope, I just paid attention. The Ron Paul supporters were by far the most fanatical during the 2008 primaries.

**Cleric** · 09-24-11, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Oh, I did. He is anti-gay marriage, anti-choice, doesn't accept evolution, doesn't accept anthropogenic climate change, wants to cut taxes to ridiculously low rates, wants "smaller government," believes the magical free market can solve all problems, etc. Those are all typical Republican stances. Sure, he deviates somewhat. He wants to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but that has more to do with his isolationist beliefs than being against the reasons for the wars, he voted against the PATRIOT Act, supports some drug reforms, etc. So maybe "typical Republican" was a bit harsh, but he is not exactly miles apart from them. He is similar enough for me to not even consider him.

There you're wrong. Grant you, he has said that marriage should be between a man and a woman. However, in the same sentence he also said that just because that's the way he feels, it doesnt mean that he has to push his belief on other people. And what the hell does accepting evolution have to do with a man's political views. If you are referring to the religious aspect regarding evolution.....well Ron had something to say about that as well. Last election and in this one, he has stated that he is a religious man, in a sense, but feels that religion should be left out of all things political. And he is damn right on that issue.

**Remz** · 09-24-11, 01:28 AM

I like how Ron Paul has been caught on video predicting that we would be in this economic situation over 20 years ago. The man is very smart, and all his points make sense.

**Fovezer** · 09-24-11, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Cleric

There you're wrong. Grant you, he has said that marriage should be between a man and a woman. However, in the same sentence he also said that just because that's the way he feels, it doesnt mean that he has to push his belief on other people.

You're the second person so far who has said that I'm wrong on this issue only to admit in the next sentence that he is, in fact, anti-gay marriage. And he doesn't say he doesn't want to push his beliefs on people, he says he wants to leave it up to the states to decide, which is ridiculous. If had held the same belief about civil rights back in the 50's and 60's, we'd still have legal segregation in the South. Not only that, but he supports DOMA, which is a federal law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman. So much for not wanting to push his beliefs on anyone...

Originally Posted by Cleric

And what the hell does accepting evolution have to do with a man's political views. If you are referring to the religious aspect regarding evolution.....well Ron had something to say about that as well. Last election and in this one, he has stated that he is a religious man, in a sense, but feels that religion should be left out of all things political. And he is damn right on that issue.

No, I'm referring to the actual theory of evolution, which he denies. I have no idea what you mean by "religious aspect regarding evolution." To me, this is very important. It tells me he is willing to ignore massive amounts of scientific evidence and reject solid theories because of religion. I don't trust people like that.

**deathgodusmc** · 09-24-11, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Fovezer

You're the second person so far who has said that I'm wrong on this issue only to admit in the next sentence that he is, in fact, anti-gay marriage. And he doesn't say he doesn't want to push his beliefs on people, he says he wants to leave it up to the states to decide, which is ridiculous. If had held the same belief about civil rights back in the 50's and 60's, we'd still have legal segregation in the South. Not only that, but he supports DOMA, which is a federal law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman. So much for not wanting to push his beliefs on anyone...

No, I'm referring to the actual theory of evolution, which he denies. I have no idea what you mean by "religious aspect regarding evolution." To me, this is very important. It tells me he is willing to ignore massive amounts of scientific evidence and reject solid theories because of religion. I don't trust people like that.

Being pro or anti gay marriage is not the same as leaving it up to the states. Its removing your personal views and saying the states are the ones that actually have to deal with it so they should be allowed to make that decision. I've never seen him say he doesn't believe in evolution or that he rejects scientific theories on it. It is possible to believe in evolution and still have faith in what the bible says.

**Red_Lizard2** · 09-24-11, 01:22 PM

Or he could go with the Libertarian platform of just "no marriage licenses period" (and no they don't specify federal or state).

Of course they even realize that (at least how the tax structure and all that is set up) its a pipe dream, and thus support legalizing gay marriage.

Personally I think the best solution is just calling all marriages civil unions, and get rid of the marriage crap all together. If you want to get married, you can go to the church and they can decide if you can or can't (they also shouldn't get public funds either but thats a different topic all together). Just like churches shouldn't tell the government what to do, I strongly believe the government shouldn't be telling what the churches can do (well thats reasonable, obviously you shouldn't allow human sacrificing etc. etc.)