Leaving Iraq!

**Cleric** · 10-22-11, 06:43 PM

Obama did try and get an extension so that our troops could stay longer, but only if our troops would be granted immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, which their parlaiment overwhelmingly shot down. They want us gone, and rightly so. They have a lot of rebuilding to do and they have a chance to be a completely soverign nation for the first time in decades. However, i was talking with my cousin the other day and he has a few reservations about us pulling everyone out. He was an Army Ranger and served about a year and a half in Iraq running combat missions, training Iraqi soldiers, and still has several friends over there including his younger brother (recently wounded, but thank God for flak jackets lol). He thinks that pulling everyone out could make the country vulnerable. The Iraqi troops, although trained by the best, are undisciplined, quick to run from a fight, and often insubordinant. Thats coming from his first hand experience. Some have even been known to give intelligence to insurgents. All that aside, i do agree that we need to get out. Lookin' forward to seein our boys finally come home.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-22-11, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Cleric

Obama did try and get an extension so that our troops could stay longer, but only if our troops would be granted immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts, which their parlaiment overwhelmingly shot down. They want us gone, and rightly so. They have a lot of rebuilding to do and they have a chance to be a completely soverign nation for the first time in decades. However, i was talking with my cousin the other day and he has a few reservations about us pulling everyone out. He was an Army Ranger and served about a year and a half in Iraq running combat missions, training Iraqi soldiers, and still has several friends over there including his younger brother (recently wounded, but thank God for flak jackets lol). He thinks that pulling everyone out could make the country vulnerable. The Iraqi troops, although trained by the best, are undisciplined, quick to run from a fight, and often insubordinant. Thats coming from his first hand experience. Some have even been known to give intelligence to insurgents. All that aside, i do agree that we need to get out. Lookin' forward to seein our boys finally come home.

I share his reservations.

**Remz** · 10-22-11, 08:06 PM

Whether or not it's good for them, if they want it, and they are a sovereign free country, they have the opportunity to tell us to get the hell out

**deathgodusmc** · 10-22-11, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Remz

Whether or not it's good for them, if they want it, and they are a sovereign free country, they have the opportunity to tell us to get the hell out

That is very true but what happens if an someone similar tries to verthrow the current government because we pulled out to soon? We end up right back there in the fight. I agree we should pull out of the country but if peace is best served by staying a bit longer then that is the smartest call that could be made.

**Remz** · 10-22-11, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

That is very true but what happens if an someone similar tries to verthrow the current government because we pulled out to soon? We end up right back there in the fight. I agree we should pull out of the country but if peace is best served by staying a bit longer then that is the smartest call that could be made.

That's the nature of the beast. If they don't want us there, we shouldn't be there. All we can do is defend ourselves from outside.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-22-11, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Remz

That's the nature of the beast. If they don't want us there, we shouldn't be there. All we can do is defend ourselves from outside.

Agreed but if we are the one bank rolling it and putting the troops on the front lines then we have more pull making the decisions. This however is a pull out on contract essencially. There will still be about 5000 there so its all good. We will still have the capacity to respond.

**WickedTribe** · 10-22-11, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

WHats subjective about it? We went to war with Iraq in 2001 my mistake before the war ended in 2003. The rebuilding force remained there bring what we have spent to 806 billion dollars. The other funds in the trillions we spent we not on iraq. It is a cumlitive total for what we have spent on the war in iraq, afganistan, and the war on terror. Thats fact not subjective.

This is flat-out wrong. Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Remz** · 10-22-11, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Agreed but if we are the one bank rolling it and putting the troops on the front lines then we have more pull making the decisions. This however is a pull out on contract essencially. There will still be about 5000 there so its all good. We will still have the capacity to respond.

I agree in some sense. We'll have the capacity to respond whether or not we have troops there or not. Always have troops near.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-22-11, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

This is flat-out wrong. Financial cost of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may want to read that. Then tell me how im wrong.

You know what i can help you with that.

"which said the total for wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan is at least $3.2-4 trillion"

"Department of Defense's direct spending on Iraq totaled at least $757.8 billion"

**WickedTribe** · 10-23-11, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You may want to read that. Then tell me how im wrong.

You know what i can help you with that.

"which said the total for wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan is at least $3.2-4 trillion"

"Department of Defense's direct spending on Iraq totaled at least $757.8 billion"

You're right, I thought that you were saying that the 800B figure was for all of the wars.