I thought the tax cuts were bad?

**CivilWars** · 12-01-11, 11:15 PM

I agree with part of your argument. The part about make it more costly for them to import/sell crap that is made overseas, or in Mexico, and they will come back to making it here. The current corporate tax rate is somewhat irrelevant as many major corporations are avoiding taxation through loopholes anyway. Labor costs is where the majority of money is saved.

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**Langrad** · 12-02-11, 01:37 AM

So how bout this deathgod you take a high salary of $2 per hour, with no union or safety regulations and then live in what is basicly a chemical dump then find a few hundred thousand others willing to not work in McDonalds or Walmart that will do the same. If you do that I will go to china and petition corporations to come back.

You, like many others, dont realize that what makes it expensive to live here is the fact that we care for our environment and infrastructure. Everyone just seems to say that government is evil and how dare they make laws and rules and "infringe" on the little man.

**deathgodusmc** · 12-02-11, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I agree with part of your argument. The part about make it more costly for them to import/sell crap that is made overseas, or in Mexico, and they will come back to making it here. The current corporate tax rate is somewhat irrelevant as many major corporations are avoiding taxation through loopholes anyway. Labor costs is where the majority of money is saved.

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I cant deny that. Corp taxes dont have the effect on big business that they do on small business.

**deathgodusmc** · 12-02-11, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Langrad

So how bout this deathgod you take a high salary of $2 per hour, with no union or safety regulations and then live in what is basicly a chemical dump then find a few hundred thousand others willing to not work in McDonalds or Walmart that will do the same. If you do that I will go to china and petition corporations to come back.

You, like many others, dont realize that what makes it expensive to live here is the fact that we care for our environment and infrastructure. Everyone just seems to say that government is evil and how dare they make laws and rules and "infringe" on the little man.

Hey i have an idea lets jump to the worst case scenario like there is no middle ground to play with.

Horseshit. What makes it expensive to live here is the wages people earn bumping up what companies have to charge. Along with that and probably a biggger part of the problem is the profit margins companies are trying to make. With that is also the high cost of housing.

**Langrad** · 12-02-11, 02:43 PM

If people had less money stuff would be cheaper. If 50% of your population makes 10k a year you will need housing that that 50% can afford. And food, so I guess no more corn, or beef. Our whole society is centered on the fact that we are a people who have. We have a government that suppliments farmers incomes so that they grow crops that loose money. We have the money to spend on beef, one of the must wasteful meat products in the world.

But your right I did go right to the worst case scenario. Personaly I dont think that many of the middlegrounds are that attractive either. Profit margins are pretty much all that drives large companies these days. Not fiscal or environmental responsibility as long as you can earn the most money possible you should do it.

**deathgodusmc** · 12-02-11, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Langrad

If people had less money stuff would be cheaper. If 50% of your population makes 10k a year you will need housing that that 50% can afford. And food, so I guess no more corn, or beef. Our whole society is centered on the fact that we are a people who have. We have a government that suppliments farmers incomes so that they grow crops that loose money. We have the money to spend on beef, one of the must wasteful meat products in the world.

But your right I did go right to the worst case scenario. Personaly I dont think that many of the middlegrounds are that attractive either. Profit margins are pretty much all that drives large companies these days. Not fiscal or environmental responsibility as long as you can earn the most money possible you should do it.

Earning the highest profit is all that drives companies we agree on that. Earning the highest profit possible is what has us in the situation we are in right now. We would have pulled out of this shit a long time ago if conpanies didn't think with just their check book. The problem is they continue to try and earn the same profit margin while the economy is spiralling out of control and thats exactly what its doing right now.

They lay people off to keep that profit margin. Which in turn makes it so people cant buy products and then complain business is down. Which in turn equates to more lay offs and even more people that cant buy. If they had taken the first step when all of this started we would have probably bounced right back. Now that it didn't happen you can count on the economy not recovering for years still to come.

The housing bubble is more complex. It took the government, lenders, and borrowers to fuck that up but im fairly certain we can all agree on that. Dont kid yourself on farm substides. In many cases farmers are paid to not grow anything and others are paid to let the crops rot. Food, medical, and insurance are three markets that still do well regardless of the economy. Probably not doing as well as they would like but far from going bankrupt.

As for the comment "If people had less money stuff would be cheaper" well i have to say thats not even remotely true. How much less money do they need to have then they do right now? Its not as simple as houses costing 50% less. Every product used to make a home comes from multiple companies because we do not manufactor in this country hardly at all anymore. So a company in china builds it, then it goes thru an import company, then a distribution company, then to a retailer. On top of that add for shipping between each stop. Right now you cant build your own home by yourself and come in anywhere near 10 grand. The flooring, roofing, and cabinets will cost you that much.

**Langrad** · 12-04-11, 04:58 AM

Well the people having less money would need to be the majority of the populace. If suddenly your whol customer base has 90% less money then you will be forced to develop products that cater to their lower income. Smaller/cheaper houses more resources collected from our homeland instead of letting it be imported...

**deathgodusmc** · 12-04-11, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Langrad

Well the people having less money would need to be the majority of the populace. If suddenly your whol customer base has 90% less money then you will be forced to develop products that cater to their lower income. Smaller/cheaper houses more resources collected from our homeland instead of letting it be imported...

Yet that has never happened.

**SapiensErus** · 12-04-11, 01:37 PM

I would add to this argument that China recently launched a large number of "green" projects and incentives. Apparently they recognize their externalities and are making movements to deal with it. So in fact china does have environmental policies, they are just new and in the process of implementing them.