ALIEN DIDNT I TELL YOU TO LEAVE ME ALONE

**Locomotor** · 10-26-06, 09:33 PM

If there's one country in Southeast Asia that has been constantly picked on and ignored by Western countries, and deserves at least a little attention today, it's East Timor. The Portugese colonized much of Southeast Asia in the 16th century, including this little island. After being thrown around between several countries up until the mid-20th century, the people desperately, and understandably, wanted independence. So, when Portugal abandoned them in 1974, they started picking up the pieces and started working toward long-awaited and much-deserved (of course) self-government. The Revolutionary Front for an Independent East Timor, the FRETILIN, had fought against Portugese occupation, and after Portugal left, they became a popular party in the country's brand new multi-party system.

The nearby islands of Indonesia had just seen a military coup, completely - albeit covertly - supported by the United States, and other Western nations, and the right-wing regime of Suharto (between 500,000 and 1,000,000 "communists" and leftist dissidents were killed during that US-backed uprising alone) was put into power. The US continued selling massive amounts of weapons to the newly installed fascist regime of general Suharto, making a pretty penny for themselves in the process.

Anyway, Indonesia saw East Timor, a tiny island of around 700,000 tired peasants, as fresh meat. It would be easy territory to capture and hold. So, they first tried instigating a coup there, which failed miserably, but not before fighting claimed the lives of nearly 3,000 people. After that didn't work, Indonesia simply decided to invade the country, claiming that they were merely, and innocently, trying to quell the violence and instability (most of which probably didn't exist, the other part of which was Indonesia's making). Within a year, it is estimated that some "sixty thousand" people had been arrested, tortured, and murdered by the Suharto regime.

The international community acknowledged what was happening. Nearly 70,000 people were dead before a year of occupation was up. Of course there would be worldwide concern. East Timor pleaded to the UN Security Council very early on in the struggle, and UN action was blocked by - you guessed it! - the United States (why on earth would the US want the atrocities stopped? They were making a bundle from the arms sales). Then UN Ambassador Daniel Patrick Moynihan recalled his objective at the time: "The United States wished things to turn out as they did and worked to bring this about. The Department of State desired that the United Nations prove utterly ineffective in whatever measures it undertook." As the crisis mounted, Jimmy Carter continued to supply even more material and diplomatic aid to the murderous government of Indonesia.

Of course they received more than just weapons and diplomatic help. It's been suggested that the Indonesian military employed direct US-supplied tactics and training during the occupation of East Timor:

Originally Posted by US Arms Profile, Indonesia

Historically, the United States has been a leading supporter of the Indonesian military. The United States has sold $1.25 billion dollars worth of weaponry to Indonesia since 1975. The U.S. has also provided some for of security assistance virtually every year since 1950, including $388 million in grants and loans to pay for U.S. arms.

The U.S. government also provided training under the International Military Education and Training (IMET) program from 1950 to 1992, when Congress prohibited this aid in reaction to severe human rights abuses in East Timor. In that 42-year period, over 7,300 Indonesian military personnel received IMET training, demonstrating the close ties between the U.S. and Indonesian militaries. Indonesia was later reauthorized to receive "E-IMET," which provides classroom courses in human rights and civil-military relations.

After regular IMET training was suspended, Indonesian troops continued to receive combat training from U.S. soldiers under the Joint Combined Exchange Training (JCET) program (see chart below). The units trained included the infamous Kopassus special operations forces, known by the U.S. to engage in torture, "disappearances," and other atrocities across Indonesia. Training courses included sniper techniques, air operations, and close quarters combat. Whether the U.S.-trained units were present in East Timor during the pre- and post-referendum violence is unclear, but the tactics and techniques used by security forces were strikingly similar to techniques taught in JCET and other U.S. military training courses.

Over the years, concluding with massacres in 1999 by leftovers of the Indonesian military, it is estimated that anywhere between 175,000 to 200,000 innocent people died as a result of the 24-year occupation. In 1998, because of internal turmoil, Suharto was forced to resign his position in Indonesia, and his successor was willing to hold a referendum vote in E. Timor. Of course, the people of East Timor quickly voted Indonesia out of their country. Because of international pressure, the US withdrew support of the Indonesian regime gradually thourought the late 90s, and shortly thereafter Indonesia withdrew from East Timor (this could have been achieved at any time during the occupation, mind you.) East Timor was left in ruin, with nearly 80% of its infrastructure destroyed or otherwise unusable, it is estimated. After Indonesia pulled out, and the country lay in ruins, the UN was finally allowed to come in with a multinational peacekeeping force, the UNTAET. What then?

Originally Posted by Noam Chomsky, East Timor: Q & A, 1999

U.S. motives now are the same as always: to pursue those policies that will enhance the power and economic returns of U.S. corporate and political elites with as few dangers of disrupting existing relations of power as possible, and especially as few disturbing effects in the form of enlarging public awareness and dissidence.

The United States has a long history of cozying up to ruthless dictators, being indifferent to if not enthusiastic about their atrocities, and disengaging only when Washington concludes that the dictator has provoked so much instability and dissidence that U.S. interests are threatened. Thus, President Jimmy Carter backed the Shah of Iran until it seemed as if the army would fall apart in trying to suppress mass demonstrations; President Reagan embraced Marcos in the Philippines until splits in the armed forces and huge numbers of people in the streets put U.S. interests at risk. So in Indonesia, the United States supported Suharto until a popular explosion seemed to imperil U.S. economic and geopolitical interests.

The United States supported Indonesian policy in East Timor—with weapons, training, and diplomatic support—as long as doing so seemed to further U.S. interests. As long as East Timor could be kept off the front page, Washington was happy to give Jakarta a free hand. But news of the latest atrocities could not be suppressed. Some courageous journalists and independent observers, some UN workers who refused to abandon the Timorese, and networks of activists have all spread the word. This has raised the costs to the U.S. government of continuing to tolerate Indonesian terrorism in East Timor. Washington still hopes, however, to protect its economic stake in Indonesia and maintain close ties with that country’s military.

That was just a brief history, of course.

My sources include, but are not limited to:
wikipedia.org
answers.org
http://fas.org/asmp/profiles/indonesia.htm
The Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor
The Chomsky Reader by Noam Chomsky
[i]A People's History of the United States[i] by Howard Zinn
Hegemony or Survival by Noam Chomsky
Essays on War and Justice by Howard Zinn

For further opinion, I highly recommend this Noam Chomsky article:
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199910--.htm

**AzH** · 10-27-06, 05:03 AM

It may have been a brief history, but it was a very interesting read. You are a very intelligent poster and I enjoyed this little insight into another facet of US foreign policy. In honesty, this behaviour is not a shock, I am not stunned to silence, I am very aware of the economics or war. America rose to prominence on the world stage in the aftermath of WWII. It is well aware of the positive effect war abroad brings to the economy, and there is no other involved world power that has not, or would not, use similar tactics and policies if it was to benefit them.

In the 80's France sold technology to the Argentines which was used against their NATO allies. The free market and capitalism can be linked to the escalation of many conflicts around the globe.

It is in man's nature (selfish, self-serving, greedy) to promotes oneself at the expense of others. Here it is just being promoted on an international rather than local scale.

**Locomotor** · 10-31-06, 01:30 AM

Why, thank you AzH.

I plan on making more, though instead of making new threads I'll just use this one.

Originally Posted by AzH

this behaviour is not a shock

It's sad.

It is in man's nature (selfish, self-serving, greedy) to promotes oneself at the expense of others.

It is part of it, certainly. However, I don't think it has to be the prevelant factor in foreign policy decision making in our government. If people would just wake up, we could stop it.

**G0dl1k3** · 07-03-07, 05:27 PM

[14:25] AlienHunt: you really fucked me over good man.. thx a fucking lot
[14:25] -|BTS|- The Shocka: your welcome
[14:25] AlienHunt: fuck you
[14:25] -|BTS|- The Shocka: im kinda busy
[14:25] -|BTS|- The Shocka: so if you wanna talk shit to me now
[14:25] -|BTS|- The Shocka: just hold it
[14:25] -|BTS|- The Shocka: helping someone with thier "personal problems"
[14:25] -|BTS|- The Shocka: rgr?
[14:25] AlienHunt: w/e
[14:37] -|BTS|- The Shocka: ok
[14:37] -|BTS|- The Shocka: what do you have to say for yourself
[15:07] AlienHunt: i was going to post but bighub locked it
[15:08] -|BTS|- The Shocka: yeah
[15:09] AlienHunt: the only thing I have to say is that in reply to BigHub's shit, everyone fucking knows I'm good.. i fucking call strats all the time, not to mention i'm at the top of the list every map
[15:09] AlienHunt: plus my kdr is way better than most people's
[15:09] AlienHunt: to rock lobster: I was at school
[15:09] AlienHunt: to tony
[15:10] AlienHunt: I do value team skills, and that's what helps a CAL team win
[15:10] AlienHunt: I like competitive league play, which is why I like cal, and I value people with cal experience because they make better team players
[15:10] AlienHunt: because they know how to follow strats/give strats
[15:10] AlienHunt: and they can kill to back up their leadership abilities
[15:10] AlienHunt: i dont' care if syrringe is better than me, I never said he was or wasn't
[15:12] AlienHunt: to syrringe: i didnt' say death sucks, I said some of the members jsut aren't good.. and I TRIED TO HELP THEM with practices but no one ever gave me a second of their time.. I had a clan in the past and it went 5-0-0 in cal, and that was a few years ago.. I would have a clan right now but I'm thinking of playing less to focus on other parts of my life that are more important
[15:12] AlienHunt: nd if i do start a clan, be damned sure they'll be playing on TTP
[15:12] -|BTS|- The Shocka: this is what ive learned from TTP
[15:13] -|BTS|- The Shocka: 1. Teamplaying over rules everything
[15:13] -|BTS|- The Shocka: 2. Yes its ok to talk shit like i owned you and what not
[15:13] -|BTS|- The Shocka: 3. dont talk shit about the clan and people in TTP
[15:13] -|BTS|- The Shocka: TTP hates shittalkers more than anything
[15:14] AlienHunt: then tell them to ban Jinx?
[15:14] -|BTS|- The Shocka: jason has been in TTP longer than half the people here
[15:15] -|BTS|- The Shocka: Jason doesnt talk shit
[15:15] -|BTS|- The Shocka: wait wait scratch that
[15:15] -|BTS|- The Shocka: idk
[15:16] -|BTS|- The Shocka: you just talk ALOT of shit
[15:16] -|BTS|- The Shocka: and everyone hated you
[15:17] AlienHunt: the only people that hate me are those who are jealous that I'm better at the game than them
[15:17] AlienHunt: like Jinx
[15:18] AlienHunt: I posted my reply.
[15:19] -|BTS|- The Shocka: they dont GIVE A SHIT
[15:19] -|BTS|- The Shocka: ITS A FUCKINg gaME
[15:19] AlienHunt: they wanted my response
[15:19] -|BTS|- The Shocka: THE THe fucK OVER IT
[15:19] AlienHunt: so I gave it to them
[15:20] -|BTS|- The Shocka: yes you a a good player
[15:20] -|BTS|- The Shocka: but you've got the attitude of a high school jock dude
[15:20] -|BTS|- The Shocka: you think your the hotest shit eve
[15:20] AlienHunt: I was never like this until I came to TTP
[15:20] -|BTS|- The Shocka: ever*
[15:20] -|BTS|- The Shocka: noone gives a shit
[15:20] AlienHunt: cuz the people fucking talked the most shit
[15:21] AlienHunt: so i had to show them I was worth something
[15:21] AlienHunt: then I pwned and they got mad
[15:21] AlienHunt: and called hacks
[15:21] AlienHunt: like every other fucking moron does
[15:21] -|BTS|- The Shocka: idk dude but you lost my respect when you talked shit about BIGTEX
[15:21] AlienHunt: since Jeffzilla posted his shit about me I calmed down

IT JUST NEVER ENDS......

**alienhunt** · 07-03-07, 05:42 PM

how does that help you? I already posted that as my reply on the forums.. besides, now you're just spamming the forums..

**G0dl1k3** · 07-03-07, 05:44 PM

hey alien.... get off my dick XD and there is NEW stuff in this 1

**cop1991** · 07-03-07, 05:49 PM

Let me make a suggestion to the 2 of you.

Shut the fuck up and drop it.

You would stop this now if you were smart.

**tgross791** · 07-03-07, 06:06 PM

Alien.......word of advice, just leave him alone and he will leave you alone...if someone asks about in game, tell them you will pm them.....there is no need for it to be brought up in chat....remember if you don't have nothing nice to say don't say it at all........we all play competitively for fun, and there is no reason for you to keep nagging and egging god, other people etc on.....drop it.

and if you like playing with cal so much play on their server......play with cal all the time.....

there is no reason to make fun of any person or clan in TTP, because right away you are not being a teamplayer...think before you speak/chat...and everything will be gravy.