NBA MVP

**Pimp Trizkit** · 05-06-08, 08:42 PM

Well, it's official. Kobe ftw.

**punish3r** · 05-06-08, 10:14 PM

Although it really doesn't matter as Kobe was announced the winner, I just need to say that I can not stand Kobe Bryant, So my opinion might be a little biased... But it should be a split MVP this year between Paul and James. My criteria for MVP is the person that impacts there team the most. You take Kobe off the Lakers and I still think they make the playoffs, they have a great small forward named Lamar Odem who has been hindered because he's been playing beside Kobe, they have Pau Gasol who is one of the top four centers in the league, they have Andrew Bynum who when healthy is also an allstar caliber player. Tim Duncan just doesn't put up the numbers that an MVP should put up. Yes, he does make every player around him better, but several players on the Spurs make him better too. He's always had a solid wingman or two. Kevin Garnett is probably my favorite player on the list just because I love the way he goes about his business and the tenacity with which he plays the game. So that leaves us with Chris Paul and Lebron James. Both of their teams are to be quite frank, not very good. The Cavs have two aging, hurting bigmen that are pretty overate tbh, and the hornets have a sharpshooter who's hayday ended what seems like a decade ago. Who were David West and Tyson Chandler before this year? Just two more no name players that are now heralded as some of the games best... Give me a break. Chris Paul turned two average players into allstars, just like John Stockton turned Karl (or is it Carl? can't remember) Malone into one of the greatest scorers in the NBA's history. And I think if for no other reason, Lebron deserves something for taking his team to the finals last year by himself.

**Pimp Trizkit** · 05-06-08, 10:45 PM

There were many deserving candidates this year for MVP. But let's face it, Kobe deserved it more. You can sit there and guess what the Lakers would be without Kobe because of their other talents, but the fact of the matter is that Kobe spreads the floor more than any player in basketball; Lebron would be on par with Kobe if he has Kobe's jumpshot. He demands a double-team every time he touches the ball, and that's why his supporting cast, Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum put up quality numbers. Pau Gasol was an All-Star even before coming to LA. But have you actually sat down and watched the Lakers play? Did you see Kobe shred the Jazz in their first playoff game? He was an absolute monster, and he didn't even take that many FG attempts. Most of his points came from FTs. 21 of 23 from the line. That's ridiculous. Can Lebron, with his career 73% FT shooting, hope to be that valuable to his team in the present? Was he that clutch all year round? No. Plus his team is in the East, and no team save the Pistons and Celtics can even hold a candle to teams in the west and the amount of competition therein.

As Special K mentioned earlier, there were a few instances this season where Paul just couldn't come through in the clutch. That lack of killer instinct and end-game clutch is what separates him from Kobe, but he is only 23 years old. His time will come. For Kobe to go as many years as he did without winning the MVP trophy, it was kinda ridiculous, and they may discount it, but you know that was a small factor in the decision-making. Guys like Lebron and Paul have many years ahead to get the coveted award, but Bryant deserved it this year, because he was consistently good for the whole year. Paul was a beast in the second half, but was a little slow out of the gate. MVP belongs to the player who contributes to his team all year long. Kobe.

Oh, and don't be dissin' on David West and Tyson Chandler's stats the past few seasons. They're past couple seasons have been solid, so they weren't no names. David West picked up his blocking game this year, almost double what he had last year, turning him into a great all-around player. And Chandler's just ridiculous on the boards, always has been, even though he did have a decline in boards and blocks this year.

**rock_lobster** · 05-06-08, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Syrringe

of course there's not a spur on the list....i fucking swear no one ever gives my team credit. Im sick and tired of SA always being left out on every bball topic my ears ever pick up, be it on tv, here, on the radio, in the newspaper......its bullshit.....Spurs are the best team, and have been for the last 9 years.....id vote for tim or no one at all. if did have to vote here, i would vote lebron, solely just b/c of what the kid has accomplished. Lebron ftw.

CP3>Spurs

The spurs have talent no doubt, but they are collectively good. No one player really stands out as a dominating factor.

BTW you can't even compare Kobe and Paul. Kobe's value is shown in the stats, Paul's value isn't. Kobe is a shooter/scorer, Paul is a team leader and ball distributor. If you ask me, Kobe is all about Kobe. He cried cried cried to be traded, but then they start winning, and all of a sudden you don't hear a word from him. Total pretty boy.

**punish3r** · 05-07-08, 04:43 PM

I'm telling your right now, Tyson Chandler is an average player made better because he's playing beside the best point guard in the league. I've been a big Bulls fan since I watched Jordan dominate during my impressionalbe childhood years. When he was in Chicago he was not very good, in fact he sucked. The only way for the bulls to contend was to sit him on the bench and put in Marcus Sweetney (that's right, never heard of that guy either, but he was better than Tyson Chandler). I have no respect for his game; in one playoff series against the heat I even remember PJ Brown having to guard Shaq when Chandler was in the game because he was making Chandler look stupid.

EDIT: Kobe is certainly 'clutch' but I hate to tell everybody that the shot made in the first quarter counts the same as the shot made in the fourth. In all honesty, I hate it when people try to say "he's awesome cause he hits them when they matter!" THEY ALL MATTER! You don't get more points for making a 10 foot jump shot with two minutes to go than you do with twenty.

**Pimp Trizkit** · 05-07-08, 07:14 PM

While it is true that a shot made in the first quarter is the same as any other quarter, it comes down to something called pressure when it's close in the fourth. You ever heard of that word, punisher? And it's Kobe's ability to take over a game with all the pressure that comes from a close 4th quarter game that separates him from Paul this year. Again, Paul is still young, and Kobe has been in the league much longer, so he's more used to that kind of situation.

Also, Chandler per 48 minute averages have pretty much been the same the last few years, dating back to 04-05 when he was still with the Bulls. The players on winning teams are always more known than those on the losing ones(ie Hornets now, and Bulls then).

**AsO|-Special_K_33** · 05-07-08, 07:31 PM

Agreed punisher. Tyson's a good rebounder, but don't let his FG% fool you. He has no offensive scoring moves whatsoever. As you might've guessed, his FG% is high because he was #1 in offensive rebounds. Not to mention he and cp3 led the NBA with 100+ alley oops. As for david west, he's a good player but it took a player like cp3 to make him better. I don't have stats to back this next statement up (just my weak basketball instincts), but I'm sure west averages 4.5 points per game more thanks to cp3. That means west should've averaged 16.1ppg .

Now for the rest I can back up with some hard facts. Guess who's leading the playoffs in lenovo stats? It's TC. I was even shocked by that.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo...&split=9&team=

The rest seems just right except for kobe (should be higher in my mind- yeah surprisingly I got some respect for him). For mvp, if you go by player efficiency rating (PER), cp3 has had the best per ever for a pg in the history of the nba. It shows in his win shares.

http://www.twolvesblog.com/college-w...n-2007-08.html

Look at fact #3. And for the record, imo fact#1 is false and fact #2 is true. For those who are curious, here's how to calculate win shares:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html

I admit these starts aren't 100% accurate, but it gives you an idea how to evaluate the players.

And yeah hornets > spurs for this season. We've seen to match up with them very well. Just like how the jazz >>> hornets.

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