Gas 3.50 a gallon?!?!?!

**Veovis** · 04-26-08, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Just one more question for you (or anyone else who wants to answer) and I'll let this rest. If America is such a horrible society, give me the name of other societies that you would rather be a part of (countries please).

If I could choose a culture to be born into, I'd choose the Cherokee Indians, off the top of my head. Which, of course, was located in what we call America.

And in my post when I said "our society" I was not referring to America or modern American culture. I was referring to a global culture which USA makes up a portion of. Read the book Ishmael that I mentioned... I've had these feelings my whole life (an unrealizable fantasy of dropping out of modern culture and being a Native American) but these feelings increased tenfold after reading that book.

Gas in the UK is about 4x the cost it is here in USA (far far more than $3.50 a gallon... I don't know the exact amount now but I think it's over $11... anybody?). People can charge anything they want for anything, unfortunately. I'd say they have that right. If I'm a sucker for paying it (and I'll admit it), so be it. I have choices, even if they are ridiculous in our current mindsets.

**Silent_Crow** · 04-26-08, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Just fyi, we will always be _______ dependent. If it isn't oil, it will be electricity, water, air, whatever. The idea is to find out which one we have an abundance of, which is the most easily attainable, and which one is the most cost efficient. Seems like common sense, but a lot of people don't understand this concept.

You forgot to mention renewable.

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

I'm tired of hearing all the statements about how it's the consumer's fault for everything and how we need to adjust our living and life standards because the oil companies (and any other companies) want to have bigger christmas bonuses at the expense of the entire middle and lower classes.

Then you have to wake up. Businesses are the direct result of consumer choices. This is economics 101. Are you are saying that you are tired of having to make informed decisions when making a purchase?

Consumers weigh the pros and cons of every purchase, not just monetary and it depends on each factor's importance to you. Convenience, environmentally friendly, price, where it was made, who made it, so many factors and even more choices to consider.

Consumers make choices, and firms react.

The oil companies are making money because they are providing a response to a demand for oil. If consumers demand clean energy, biofuels, and electric cars or whatever, then companies will shift their priorities.

Haven't you seen those commercials for Shell and GE advertising that they are investing in alternative energy's etc.?? Our decisions (Increased purchases of high mpg cars, hybrids, which lead to less consumption of gas ) have made the "big oil companies" start to shift their interests to other renewable energies!

Its economics, its business, it works.

**~~chrono~~** · 04-27-08, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by ...bigdog...

texas is riddled with windmills as well too. drive around amarillo and lubbock, and you'll see em. Nothing new about any of it.

what I'm eager to do, chronos, is try to find out if you are a bandwagon, slogan cut-n-pasting, repeat what you heard-but not what you know wannabe....or if you actually have something worth fighting about.

I don't completely understand what you're trying to get at, but it sounds like your trying to insult me somehow. I don't know every little fact about everything relating to the issue, I'm not a scientist or anything, but I spent the summer with a University of Riverside, California professor in Germany and have been in AP Environmental Science this school year. What I've learned from my class this year and a summer with a climate expert in a progressive country has made me aware that we aren't doing enough. So, as far as having something worth fighting about, I think more needs to be done. I'm just not as all knowing about everything there is to know as the tone of your writing suggests you are. Even though I don't know everything that needs to be done, I've learned a lot in class about how each of the chemicals and gases we use and release into the environment effects the ecosystems and atmosphere, and I'm just trying to get at that more needs to get done, even if I don't have all my opinions on how it should be done sorted out yet. I'm still in highschool, but my age doesn't mean you should chide me for my views by suggesting I'm just another bandwagon jumper.

By the way, we stayed at the Hanse Wissenschaftkolleg www.h-w-k.de is the link and I've got pictures to back it up in case there's any doubt. I was around people who would know what they talk about, and from the conversations I was around I have little doubt that we are aiding in causing a climate shift for the worse.

**Silent_Crow** · 04-27-08, 05:32 AM

If we are gonna carry on with veovis' random culture offtopic venture, I am ecstatic to be living in this time period. Man is reaching his apex, inventions are rampant, space exploration has only just begun, science has progressed more than we ever could've imagined. If I was born into a place like the cherokee's I wouldn't know what I was missing. They hadn't even tamed dogs by that time! You would have died by age 30 of natural causes, and nowadays you can live til 80 easy! Keep your head up! Stay optimistic! Appreciate the world we live in. Veovis, I know you couldn't sky dive if you were born into the cherokees! :9 :9 :9 :9

**...bigdog...** · 04-27-08, 02:27 PM

round and round it goes....bottom line.

live wherever you want, drive as far as you want, commute as much as you want.....120 miles in a charge, 1000+ using hybrid assist......nuclear power = no emissions.......electric cars.

fuck hydrogen, fuck biodiesel, fuck ethanol.

It's george jetson time, people hybrids and ethanol are just delaying the inevitable. 0 emissions, batteries, electricity, done.

**Tractorpull** · 04-27-08, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by ...bigdog...

Originally Posted by Tractorpull

We can't just boycott OPEC.

Of course we can. they need us more than we need them. I think we should establish favored trade status with iraq, and ensure they don't join OPEC, or have them drop out. Then we can be best friends for ever.

in FACT, Iraq can start paying for the cost of reconstruction and occupation WITH their oil. Japan and Germany had to pay for their reconstructions and occupation.....that's the cost of doing business with america.....when business is picking a fight and losing.

If you want to boycott OPEC so we don't have to mess with them anymore, then yes, we can....and gas goes to 5 or 6 bucks to the gallon but yes we can do it. And OPEC gets hurt some but China will be more than happy to pick up some of the slack we left at a higher price. Crude Oil goes to above 150 a barrel, and well....yeah. But yes, we can just boycott OPEC

**Tractorpull** · 04-27-08, 05:35 PM

Is that an opinion you formed on your own or is it something that prof told you and you regurgitated? Honestly, I don't trust my professors opinions, and the good ones are glad you don't. Get educated, read a few books, look at both sides and form an opinion of your own. Don't be a sheep.