Thread: Does the Constitution grant equal rights to everyone, including homosexuals?

Originally Posted by Bunni

Aight break er down time

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Who are we to judge Child Molestors, Or rapist, or Cannibals, or Druggies, or Gays, or Lesbians, or Murderers.

First off why have you catagorized gays Lesbians and murderers with things we know to be wrong,
and before you respond gays and lesbians wrong i challenge you to say why Heterosexual should not be grouped in the same place, whos to say how any of us should be, fuck society's standards.

Now to answer your statement, ill let you know what the difference is , its that being homosexual does not impact others lives and dont pull that "oh well i saw some homosexual couple walking down the street and now im going to have nightmares."
Everything you listed impacts another's life except being homosexual, its a individuals choice and does not impact other individual.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Now, after that statement, i dare someone to say there is a difference in ANY of them people. Those are ALL "life choices" someone decided to do, they were not made that way. According to our Law of the United States, all of those are illegal. You grant one ok, why dont you grant the others?

As i said above you will not be able to come up with a reason as to why heterosexuality should not be grouped in there, and if you do i can be applyed to Homosexuality as well, the deeper into the topic you look the more youll find that this all goes back to societys morals.


Society sees it as a wrong to be homosexual, with no logical reasoning behind it,



Aight now what say yee?

This is what say yee......

I catorgerized all of them because they all DO have something in common. It is ILLEAGAL by US law to do any of those. So your argument is that all the others affect people. Alchohol effects people, why isnt it illegal?? And yes, IMO i think some people ARE affected by Homosexuals. Do you think a married gay couple were to adopt a kid, and that kid wouldnt have any problems with him. Emotionally, physically, bullies at school...etc... That kid would have problems all through his childhood which would then affect him the rest of his life. I think the difference in all those other people and Gays, is that Gays dont just affect people, they affect the Human Race.

Religion aside, It is just against nature to have a species of the Same Sex be with each other. What other mamals can you name that are gay? Any whatsoever? IT IS A LIFE CHOICE. You are NOT born gay, I dont care what the fuck anyone trys to say, NO ONE IS BORN GAY. There is no gene in your body called the GAY gene, in which is dormant, and sometimes arrises. This is bullshit, you make the choice to be gay, nature makes you to pro-create with the opposite sex. Heterosexual isnt a "society standard" its a fact of nature, it is the way you are made, it is the way we pro-create. This is why we have Penis's and Vaginas. If gay was right, by nature, we wouldnt need vaginas (or penisis)

But back to my original post, as long as it is Illegal, it is wrong, these are the laws of our nation, hate them or love them, you follow them. If you disagree, write your congressman, dont like em, move to canada....

If you say that marriage is a legal arrangement, then you cannot deny it to one group of people based on something like their sexual preference.
If you say that marriage is a religious arrangement, then a person can use his religious freedom that is guaranteed by our constitution and define it any way that he/she wants to define it.

Either way, you cannot deny them a marriage.

Originally Posted by ALPINESTAR

Because marriage is what god termed it. Between a man and a woman.

Originally Posted by Potemkine

This is a POLITICAL debate questioning the fundamental rights of members of this society. Religious arguments have no place in this discussion because there is a separation of Church and State. The State should not interfere with Religion, nor should Religion mettle in the affairs of State. Let me say this again. RELIGIOUS ARGUMENTS HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS DISCUSSION. If you decide to bring Religion into this thread to dictate the rights given by the government then you allow for ALL PARTS OF YOUR reasoning to be subsequently picked apart and systematically destroyed. And yes this means Religion too.

Originally Posted by ALPINESTAR

why is the name so important to homosexuals?
why cant they be happy with another name ?

for the same reason African Americans didnt want to be called 'slaves' , they just wanted to be equal hence what this whole topic is about
I mean am I wrong when I say marriage is for a male and female and when two males or two females get together its not different? well then call it something different.

Originally Posted by SAMBO

Originally Posted by Potemkine

Sharing needles with an infected person is just as easy to become infected.

Yes, this is true. So does this mean drug addicts, dealers, and murders are to be grouped together, but people get offended when gays are included for knowingly spreading the same disease?

Are you saying that all homosexuals who have aids are knowingly spreading the disease? Or just some? Kinda like some heterosexuals knowingly spread the same disease...

Originally Posted by ALPINESTAR

Because marriage is what god termed it. Between a man and a woman.

What part of:

Originally Posted by Potemkine

This is a POLITICAL debate questioning the fundamental rights of members of this society. Religious arguments have no place in this discussion because there is a separation of Church and State. The State should not interfere with Religion, nor should Religion mettle in the affairs of State. Let me say this again. RELIGIOUS ARGUMENTS HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS DISCUSSION. If you decide to bring Religion into this thread to dictate the rights given by the government then you allow for ALL PARTS OF YOUR reasoning to be subsequently picked apart and systematically destroyed. And yes this means Religion too.

did you not understand? I really REALLY do not want that to enter the debate but if you insist, you do so at your own peril.

I do not have a problem with the rest of you post however. That is your own decision.

WOW! What a topic. I will say my peace and then leave.

I have a best friend that is gay and I love him dearly. That truth is that he DOES have a hard time getting things like medical and such because he is gay and he and his partner are not MARRIED. They don't count the two incomes together and there are people out there that just plain and simply don't AGREE with the same sex being together.

I will say this .. It is NOT my place to judge ANYONE.. If it makes you happy then hey I am Happy FOR you.


There are people that think being gay is so WRONG but then but Two sexy Lesbians in the same room with (most men) and all of a sudden it's OK.

To the point. No they Don't have the same rights as others. Do I think that they should, Yes. They are human beings just like the rest of us.

sry but I didnt see that you didnt want religion brought into it... well go build your discussion with biased opinions if your goin to exclude parts..

Originally Posted by Arreo

Originally Posted by ALPINESTAR

Because marriage is what god termed it. Between a man and a woman.

is that hard to understand? do i need crayolas?

Apparently. Marriage as a Christian religious construct didn't really solidify until the Middle Ages.

The bible refers to it as a 'union" or 'unification' of a man and a woman.

you know how many different versions and translations there are of the bible man? come on. It uses a bunch of different ways to say it.. thats why homosexuals are stuck with domestic partnership. get over it.

Im not gonna respond to anymore post about this. Its retarded.

Originally Posted by Bunni

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Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

This is what say yee......

I catorgerized all of them because they all DO have something in common. It is ILLEAGAL by US law to do any of those. So your argument is that all the others affect people. Alchohol effects people, why isnt it illegal??

Its not, but drinking and driving (something that affects other individuals lives,) is

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

And yes, IMO i think some people ARE affected by Homosexuals. Do you think a married gay couple were to adopt a kid, and that kid wouldnt have any problems with him. Emotionally, physically, bullies at school...etc... That kid would have problems all through his childhood which would then affect him the rest of his life.

just like when interrace's marry and have kids? They had problems bulleying (DUE TO BIGOTRY), there wouldnt be bulleying if there was equality, just the same way that a African American child used to be REJECTED from Segregated schools, he was bulleyed? But Guess what times changed!

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

I think the difference in all those other people and Gays, is that Gays dont just affect people, they affect the Human Race.

.... you went from a constructive point to a personal opinion, "they affect the Human Race." ....? How care to explain your line of thought there

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Religion aside, It is just against nature to have a species of the Same Sex be with each other.

Just in the same way that its against nature to prolong death, yet we still do it?

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

What other mamals can you name that are gay? Any whatsoever?

Can you name any other creatures that have intelegence as high as we do? (not close to or close as, but as high as in equal) NO you cannot because humains would not inhabit the earth, the creature would.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

IT IS A LIFE CHOICE. You are NOT born gay, I dont care what the fuck anyone trys to say, NO ONE IS BORN GAY.

Bigotry, some people do not naturally feel attracted to WOMEN.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

If gay was right, by nature, we wouldnt need vaginas (or penisis)

its not about being right, its about not being wrong, not one is trying to convence anyone to be gay.

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

But back to my original post, as long as it is Illegal, it is wrong, these are the laws of our nation, hate them or love them, you follow them. If you disagree, write your congressman, dont like em, move to canada....

It used to be illegal to divorce, but that changed, whats your point?