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06-04-08, 03:35 PM #1
Potential new Oil Refinery
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06-04-08, 03:45 PM #2
Re: Potential new Oil Refinery
Interesting but how will this help us get away from using fossil fuels? We need to start heavily researching and implementing greener solutions. Unfortunately we need long term fixes that help with the problem, not continue it.
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06-04-08, 03:48 PM #3Re: Potential new Oil Refinery
According to Ed Cable, the leader of one of the groups opposing construction, "We have strategies in place to slow or delay all the permit processes." The first such is a legal challenge to the county's zoning approval, filed in state court.
Seriously! You want to live in a better world? Let us make our own gas! FUCK. It gets me so pissed off when people complain about gas and how we are destorying the earth. Fuck them. They don't want any alteratives. Wind power: kills birds. Solar panels: I don't know they probably have something against them aswell. Nuclear power: the waste and the possiblity of it exploding (even though the track record for nuclear power is amazing but who's counting?)
RAWR!
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06-04-08, 03:55 PM #4Re: Potential new Oil Refinery
Alundil, from our own paper.....
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...z/5813720.html
in particular
Reliance Petroleum's new refinery in India may lead to lower margins on gasoline and diesel for refiners in Europe and the U.S. when it starts production this year, a report said.
The 580,000-barrel-a-day Jamnagar refinery, a unit of Reliance Industries, India's most valuable company, will increase global output of both gasoline and diesel by about 1 percent while adding 0.7 percent to global refining capacity, Bernstein Research said in a report today.
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06-04-08, 04:01 PM #5
Re: Potential new Oil Refinery
Originally Posted by Potemkine
Long term, yes - I want electric cars that run on miniature fusion reactors, but in the SHORT TERM, we need cheap gasoline and America hasn't built a new refinery in 30-some years because of the whacko environmentalists.
Drill here, drill now, lower prices.
Lower prices = more capital to be invested in other, wiser alternatives.
And another thing! If they want me to buy a hybrid or some shit, they better make it affordable...if the hybrid "option" on a car is a multi-thousand dollar line-item in the same column as leather seats and a moonroof, then it isnt a viable option, nor is it one they expect the average american family to take seriously.
DRILL, DRILL, DRILL! We have enough oil under our own soil to completely replace imports yet we are too chicken-shit as a country to drill for it. wtf?!
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06-04-08, 04:04 PM #8
Re: Potential new Oil Refinery
Originally Posted by Potemkine
Originally Posted by WorstPE
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06-04-08, 04:29 PM #9
Re: Potential new Oil Refinery
It doesn't necessarily have to be carbon emitting. It could be high density nuclear reactors that effectively do not put out greenhouse gases or dangerous byproducts or {solar,wind,hydro,other} power.
Plus how long is it going to take them to build the facility and for that fuel to reach the consumer? a few months? a few years? I am thinking a decade or so, judging by how slow projects can go. At that point we are reaching the long term before we start seeing that reduction in prices. Plus most of the price of gas is speculation.Code:____ U ___ u _____ U _____ u __ __ ____ _ __ _ _ U _____ u U| _"\ u \/"_ \/|_ " _| \| ___"|/U|' \/ '|uU| _"\ u|"|/ / ___ | \ |"| \| ___"|/ \| |_) |/ | | | | | | | _|" \| |\/| |/\| |_) |/| ' / |_"_| <| \| |> | _|" | __/.-,_| |_| | /| |\ | |___ | | | | | __/U/| . \\u | | U| |\ |u | |___ |_| \_)-\___/ u |_|U |_____| |_| |_| |_| |_|\_\ U/| |\u |_| \_| |_____| ||>>_ \\ _// \\_ << >> <<,-,,-. ||>>_ ,-,>> \\,-.-,_|___|_,-.|| \\,-.<< >> (__)__) (__) (__) (__)(__) (__) (./ \.) (__)__) \.) (_/ \_)-' '-(_/ (_") (_/(__) (__)
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06-04-08, 04:41 PM #10
Re: Potential new Oil Refinery
True potem, but as has been pointed out - nuclear is a viable option from a technological standpoint and a safety standpoint as well. However, there is a significant number of people who hear nuclear and automatically shut down and say no with images of Chernobyl and 3Mile in their minds. Even though those were well documented failures of process/maintenance and not the technology. At that point you get the "Not in my backyard" arguments and that backyard stretches for hundreds of miles in whatever direction the wind blows. So we are back to square one. We either bite the bullet now and begin to do something that can directly effect the price of fossil fuels here in the states (and even globally) while continuing to mature the alternate means of power generation (hydro, hydrogen, air, thermal, etc etc). Otherwise we simply spin our wheels and continue to suffer the ever increasing costs associated with our reliance on fossil fuels with the knowledge that we will cease (in the next 20-25 years possibly) to be the largest consumer of said fuel. Once we are no longer the top consumer, we lose any (if we ever had any) bargaining power with the suppliers of fuel as we are small potatoes then and not worthy of special treatment in a business sense.
It makes perfect sense to attack the issue of our dependence on foreign "x" with as many different angles as possible. Once you've gotten off of the "teat" of foreign oil, you are then in position to pick and choose whichever technology, or blend, of technology makes the most sense to the populace.
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