Thread: Potential new Oil Refinery

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11984

According to Ed Cable, the leader of one of the groups opposing construction, "We have strategies in place to slow or delay all the permit processes." The first such is a legal challenge to the county's zoning approval, filed in state court.

Can someone kick him in the nuts?

Seriously! You want to live in a better world? Let us make our own gas! FUCK. It gets me so pissed off when people complain about gas and how we are destorying the earth. Fuck them. They don't want any alteratives. Wind power: kills birds. Solar panels: I don't know they probably have something against them aswell. Nuclear power: the waste and the possiblity of it exploding (even though the track record for nuclear power is amazing but who's counting?)

RAWR!

Alundil, from our own paper.....

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...z/5813720.html

in particular

Reliance Petroleum's new refinery in India may lead to lower margins on gasoline and diesel for refiners in Europe and the U.S. when it starts production this year, a report said.

The 580,000-barrel-a-day Jamnagar refinery, a unit of Reliance Industries, India's most valuable company, will increase global output of both gasoline and diesel by about 1 percent while adding 0.7 percent to global refining capacity, Bernstein Research said in a report today.

When thinking of numbers that big, think how much 1% is on that scale....

Nothing. 1% on a gobal scale means nothing.

Originally Posted by Consultant

DRILL, DRILL, DRILL! We have enough oil under our own soil to completely replace imports yet we are too chicken-shit as a country to drill for it. wtf?!

Preach it!

Originally Posted by Potemkine

Interesting but how will this help us get away from using fossil fuels? We need to start heavily researching and implementing greener solutions. Unfortunately we need long term fixes that help with the problem, not continue it.

Agreed - the need for more refining capacity and the need/desire for cleaner alternatives to fossil fuel derived power do not have to mutually exclusive. With that said, we are in serious trouble financially and this is partly due to the rising fuel costs that touch every aspect of our lives (whether you pump for the fuel or plug in for the fuel). If the supply, even if it were only domestically, increased that has the potential to take some of the pressure off of the citizenry as it relates to energy costs. This would help the dollar as it would lower our dependence on foreign fuel and therefore ease some of the supply constraints for the remaining global consumers. It would remain on "US" to fund increases in R&D for alternative means of powering our lives.

Originally Posted by WorstPE

According to Ed Cable, the leader of one of the groups opposing construction, "We have strategies in place to slow or delay all the permit processes." The first such is a legal challenge to the county's zoning approval, filed in state court.

Can someone kick him in the nuts?

Seriously! You want to live in a better world? Let us make our own gas! FUCK. It gets me so pissed off when people complain about gas and how we are destorying the earth. Fuck them. They don't want any alteratives. Wind power: kills birds. Solar panels: I don't know they probably have something against them aswell. Nuclear power: the waste and the possiblity of it exploding (even though the track record for nuclear power is amazing but who's counting?)

RAWR!

Again, agreed. There is a finite list of alternate power technologies. If all of them are continuous rejected by various groups for a variety of reasons (ranging from the "Not in my backyard" (looking at you Cali), to the "What about the poor animals") then we will never implement any of them and will be in the same tired and dead-end methods we are currently using. If the only method that people are willing to accept is a complete switch to solar, be prepared to wait and/or give up many of the items that you currently function with. If the only option is electricity (in the sense of the electric vehicles and other such technology applications) then they are deluding themselves into thinking that there is a net positive impact on the energy consumption and release of pollutants. All that does is shift the emissions to a different address from that of the end consumer and might make them feel better in the short term. However, that electricity still came from a plant that was burning a fossil fuel and is stored in batteries whose manufacture releases some stuff that is truly far worse than the emissions at the "tailpipe".

True potem, but as has been pointed out - nuclear is a viable option from a technological standpoint and a safety standpoint as well. However, there is a significant number of people who hear nuclear and automatically shut down and say no with images of Chernobyl and 3Mile in their minds. Even though those were well documented failures of process/maintenance and not the technology. At that point you get the "Not in my backyard" arguments and that backyard stretches for hundreds of miles in whatever direction the wind blows. So we are back to square one. We either bite the bullet now and begin to do something that can directly effect the price of fossil fuels here in the states (and even globally) while continuing to mature the alternate means of power generation (hydro, hydrogen, air, thermal, etc etc). Otherwise we simply spin our wheels and continue to suffer the ever increasing costs associated with our reliance on fossil fuels with the knowledge that we will cease (in the next 20-25 years possibly) to be the largest consumer of said fuel. Once we are no longer the top consumer, we lose any (if we ever had any) bargaining power with the suppliers of fuel as we are small potatoes then and not worthy of special treatment in a business sense.

It makes perfect sense to attack the issue of our dependence on foreign "x" with as many different angles as possible. Once you've gotten off of the "teat" of foreign oil, you are then in position to pick and choose whichever technology, or blend, of technology makes the most sense to the populace.