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Thread: Why America Went to War with Iraq
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06-10-08, 09:10 AM #11
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
To the OP - I have to agree with bigdog on this one. Although there are plenty of theories on why we went to Iraq, none of them are legal. An analogy would be a police officer that sees someone driving a car that he thinks is suspicious. He follows them for a time during which the car crosses over the yellow line. The officer pulls them over because of this violation, not because of his suspicions. What ever his intentions are, it doesn't matter because he now has the legal right.
Toker-
You make some good points about fighting al-Qaeda and you are right that getting them to engage us is useful in lessening their numbers and it is true that are very spread out and operate in many different cells. I think that were you are wrong is the effect that the war in Iraq is having on al-Qaeda. True we are lessening the numbers of AQIZ (al-Qaeda in Iraq) but there are other al-Qaeda cells that are operating independently of that conflict. They have been able to conduct attacks in Muslim countries but have also attacked Europe since the invasion (train bombing in Madrid, Spain).
This is because as you pointed out al-Qaeda is very spread out, the same terrorists that are constructing VBIEDs in Iraq are not the same ones that are training to conduct operations in western countries.
I also think that you might be overestimating the damage that having a true democracy in Iraq will have on al-Qaeda as a whole. True it will make it much harder for them to operate and while I don't doubt that it will have some impact on their operations, I don't think that it will destroy them. Religious terror is a hard thing to stop.
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06-10-08, 01:28 PM #12
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
And I can sum my opinion up in like, what, three sentences?
1.) I really don't give a flying fuck who's making money off the war (wherever it is) on terrorism.
2.) The simple facts are that certain countries (where we are right now and are about to be in the near future) support(ed) terrorist organizations whether through finance, arms, training, property(land to use for training purposes), equipment, or personnel.
3.) Terrorist organizations are responsible for more "innocent civilian" deaths than all the taught wars put together (this is not a definitive period of time for either the terrorist attacks nor the wars), and on 11SEP01, we, the American people and visiting foreigners, were attacked, without provocation, on our OWN soil with no warning or declaration of war.
FUCK THEM. Period.
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06-10-08, 01:34 PM #13
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
All good points of view. Great post Toker.
I tend to agree with a lot of what was in Toker's post, however I'm not 100% sure if we had already planned Iraq as the 2nd stage of this or if us going to war was indeed a direct response from UN violations/WMD threat.
But really to me it doesn't matter much. Iraq needed to be delt with for many reasons, but including to show that we follow through and that the UN (mainly the US) isn't just some BS group that doesn't act. Imagine if we didn't go in, what message that would have sent - that the UN is just a bunch of bark and no bite. Yes and I do understand that much of the UN was opposed but mainly due to their connections to sadaam's regime and wanting to stay out of the AQ war.
The only reason the left is bitching about the war is that it wasn't over in 3 months. If it were, you would have only heard what a great idea it was. Granted, there probably were some mishaps along the way with the plan after we took the capital but battling AQ, and creating an environment for freedom takes time.
I can't stand the monday morning quarterback, and the media is full of them. How bout we get some reports on the progress that is being made instead of death and violence every night. Come on high level news execs stop pushing your political agendas on us!
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06-11-08, 10:20 PM #15
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
Originally Posted by ebaconjr
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06-13-08, 01:45 PM #16
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
Originally Posted by ...bigdog...
It's not just guys like Rush Limbaugh, Chris Matthews or Bill O'Reilly that are talking shit about planning and build ups and strategy, it's also everyone who has posted their ideas or thoughts in this thread, therefore, if we all gave a shit, we would run for office and help make a difference. Or maybe the guys listed don't run for office because they aren't politicians, they might just be journalists (use your own definition here) .
Marm
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12-28-08, 07:45 PM #17
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
Originally Posted by ...bigdog...
I know that bigdog disagrees with me, but it's not that hard to imagine spreading democracy as a virtue. When I first came to TTP I saw a lot of hatred in the banned forums. I also saw a lot of beautiful people on opposite sides of a fence trying to convince each other that they were cool, but each side was afraid to be nice first. I tried to set an example of kindness by giving money to TTP strangers with hopes that my seed would grow a bigger tree.
IMO G.W. Bush did the same thing with Iraq. He drew on his faith and believed that if he planted a seed of democracy in Iraq then it would take root and spread through the Middle East. In his opinion lesser thinkers would have seen that effort as a dog chasing its tail or throwing good lives and money in the garbage. G.W. had faith in the kindness of bigger thinkers.
I'm still not convinced that he went about spreading peace in the best way, but I can see where was coming from. Now I pray that people around the world can see where he wanted us to go. He planted the seed like bigdog did with TTP. It's up to the rest of the world to see the beauty.
Originally Posted by CNN
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12-28-08, 08:34 PM #19
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
Originally Posted by hawgballs
As for the rallying cry....the extremists hate us with every fiber of their being. Regardless of whether or not we go to war with a country they harbor in, we spit on them, we call their mother a nast quief bag....they will come after us all the same.
Tell any male that God will be pleased if you kill the infadels and that you will get all the sex you want when you do so.....Tell any guy that and see if he changes his mind.
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12-28-08, 10:06 PM #20
Re: Why America Went to War with Iraq
As for the rallying cry....the extremists hate us with every fiber of their being. Regardless of whether or not we go to war with a country they harbor in, we spit on them, we call their mother a nast quief bag....they will come after us all the same.
I agree with your point that we shouldn't rely solely on how will will look in other's eyes when making decisions.....but I fail to see where invading Iraq was "best for us". And when we make a decision that obviously affects our allies as well as us, it makes sense that we should consider thier views.
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