Thread: Vp Debate!

cops here. cop....you handle this guy. it's friday, and then it's the weekend. And I've got better shit to do then punish ignorance.

here's a hint. 1 4 4 1.

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Though I would much rather have BigDog pontificate on how right we were invading Iraq, and how much better off we are.............

a 5th grade history student could answer that.

I don't know what's sadder......the fact you don't know what you're talking about, or that the media and trendy opinion is to believe that as well...that somehow, it's cool to make up shit, and then base entire platforms on made up shit.

Right.....we were wrong to go into iraq......and certainly....we must be in a more dangerous situation now than before. There's just so many facts that back that up......right?

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by hawgballs

You mean that "duh" doctrine? What president is NOT going to kill terrorists, and hold terrorist nations accountable for harboring them? What president is going to wait around for the allies to answer their email, rather than act upon intellgence indicating where and when terrorists are going to do something? What president is NOT going to encourage democratic reforms, or implement democratic goverments in countries that fall due to our actions or from within (and still likely due to our actions)?

There were terrorists in Iraq? And WMD's?

That's a pretty weak argument. Typical response.

1) Cops accuse you of having illegal narcotics in your home, and ask you to remove them
2) You refuse to comply with the officers request
3) They now tell you they are coming to your house in a few days to confiscate the illegal narcotics

Now, anybody in their right mind will immidiately hide, move, or destroy the illegal narcotics.

4) Police arrive, and nothing is there

Sound familiar? We have satellites that can fucking show me a picutre of my street, house, car, the tree in my yard, from like 10-15 away. Surely we knew what the fuck was going down in Iraq. The Iraqis knew we were coming, and got rid of all the evidence (either that or passed it off). Even still, we liberated a nation from an extremely evil dictator. Iraq is a helluva lot better off now than it was before we got there. And yes it is a responsibility of the US to help countries in need (When we can). "To whom much is given, much is required".

Don't buy into all the media bullshit that they are trying to feed you. The world loves the US, and those who dont are simply bitter because of the success and prosperity this country has had (as bigdog somewhat stated in another post). Is there a perfect nation? Obsolutely not. But we sure are at the top.

Your lame ass comment has been used for years. Try something new for pete's sake.

Pure conjecture, accusations, hearsay and and I think so are not good enough reasons to go to war. The U.S. is not a cop. Iraq was never a threat. Just b/c Saddam Hussein was an asshat doesn't mean we should have gone there. We are no better off as a nation with him gone. Argue that.

Originally Posted by shatter99

It's pointless dealing with a someone like yourself who has such an inflated sense of self worth. I have been around this world, all over, everywhere. Not just on holiday. bigdog despite the image you project and an obvious talent with words I view you as limited. Where have you lived other than in Texas? If you have been anywhere then you would know that people everwhere are essentially the same. It's just the governments and languages that are different. You don't have any perspective. You're just some young guy who likes to say fuck alto. You don't impress me. Not that you should care but I see through your talk.

As one 40 year old to another.. stop acting like my 17 year old. Resorting to personnel attacks just underminds all your attempts to get readers to agree with your view. If you have too resort to these type of post then don't. Show the level of maturity you profess to exhibit since your ultimate goal is to convince undecided in the middle that your candidate is the best choice so they will go and vote in November.

Oh and bigdog doesn't resort to personal attacks. Fuck you shatter. I'll address him any way I choose. If you don't like it get out of the sandbox.

Is it just me or did Palin look a bit hungry.... She looked like she needed (insert desert here)

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by hawgballs

You mean that "duh" doctrine? What president is NOT going to kill terrorists, and hold terrorist nations accountable for harboring them? What president is going to wait around for the allies to answer their email, rather than act upon intellgence indicating where and when terrorists are going to do something? What president is NOT going to encourage democratic reforms, or implement democratic goverments in countries that fall due to our actions or from within (and still likely due to our actions)?

There were terrorists in Iraq? And WMD's?

That's a pretty weak argument. Typical response.

1) Cops accuse you of having illegal narcotics in your home, and ask you to remove them
2) You refuse to comply with the officers request
3) They now tell you they are coming to your house in a few days to confiscate the illegal narcotics

Now, anybody in their right mind will immidiately hide, move, or destroy the illegal narcotics.

4) Police arrive, and nothing is there

Sound familiar? We have satellites that can fucking show me a picutre of my street, house, car, the tree in my yard, from like 10-15 away. Surely we knew what the fuck was going down in Iraq. The Iraqis knew we were coming, and got rid of all the evidence (either that or passed it off). Even still, we liberated a nation from an extremely evil dictator. Iraq is a helluva lot better off now than it was before we got there. And yes it is a responsibility of the US to help countries in need (When we can). "To whom much is given, much is required".

Don't buy into all the media bullshit that they are trying to feed you. The world loves the US, and those who dont are simply bitter because of the success and prosperity this country has had (as bigdog somewhat stated in another post). Is there a perfect nation? Obsolutely not. But we sure are at the top.

Your lame ass comment has been used for years. Try something new for pete's sake.

Pure conjecture, accusations, hearsay and and I think so are not good enough reasons to go to war. The U.S. is not a cop. Iraq was never a threat. Just b/c Saddam Hussein was an asshat doesn't mean we should have gone there. We are no better off as a nation with him gone. Argue that.

we are most certainly the world police. Once again, the party of compassion and caring somehow thinks it's perfectly fine to ignore the worlds problems, and let things spiral out of control. Pull out of Iraq, forget about the Sudan and Darfur and Somalia, leave NK and Iran alone......just go back to the way it all was in the 1900's. That's a real plan.

Let's not forget, it's the democrats who like to bring up the "we created osama" argument. That "we made the taliban". And that the whole reason sadaam hussein is strong in the first place is because we supported him against Iran.

All of that is true. And all of that is due to tail-between-the-legs pussy footing around issues, failing to commit, and failure to follow through. We sold out the afghani's, so they become receptive to Al Quaeda and the Taliban, imagining them to be their saviors. We supplied Iraq against Iran, then realized Sadaam Hussein was nuts. We punish him for invading Kuwait, but allow the "lack of a UN mandate" to not finish the blow against him, and didn't remove him from power back in 91 or so. Democrats and republicans alike admit that was a mistake. That the reason we are back in war with Iraq now is because we didn't "finish the job" back then. historically precedented by Germany in WWI and WWII. WWII would NEVER have happened if the allies had sectored, governed, and rebuilt the ashes of germany, and hitler would never, ever have been anyone other than a failed artist and nut job. The inaction and "let's leave the world alone" mentality is what causes problems like Nazi's and Taliban. An undeniable fact.

Problem is.....finsihing the job back then would have been "ILLEGAL", and against the world's UN mandate. Finishing the job in Afghanistan would have been the very definition of unilateralism and nation building and regime change.

But....oh....we'll use arguments like that to trash the "Bush doctrine", and get some puppet elected. Or at least the parts that suit us.

The great thing about Obama getting elected, just like the dem's taking control in congress, is that people will see, first hand, that the entire platform is bullshit pie in the sky blame game idealism and excuses, and not new policies. What, exactly, did Pelosi pass in those first "100 days" of congress? And you can't blame bush, since he barely got the chance to veto anything. And when Obama comes into the white house, it will be quite apparrent what pie in the sky politics and apologists get for America, and that's jack shit. Look at Carter's presidency....an embarassment, and the reason a super con like Reagan got elected, and re-elected. and it will like put the democrats out of power in congress for yet another 15 or 20 years.

Pie in the sky idealism and hand picked arguments.....are not for those in power. Further, and what makes this so fuckign ridiculous, is that you pick arguments that actually go AGAINST your own platforms. You can't be multilateral and bring everyone to the table and then say you'll act upon intelligence and attack pakistani territory. You can't use the "we made bin laden" argument, and then say you want to pull out of Iraq. How many bin laden's will be made when we do that? You can't say "the Iraq intelligence was wrong and thus the war is stupid" and then say "we'll use actionable intelligence to invade pakistan".

So until you start addressing that shit, you have nothing to say, trigger. That's your party, and your leaders, and your politics. So they're either lying through their teeth, like Pelosi's congress did to get in power obviously, or they are simply misguided hollywood blinded democrats that have less concept of how shit works than a foxy alaskan governor.

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Originally Posted by shatter99

It's pointless dealing with a someone like yourself who has such an inflated sense of self worth. I have been around this world, all over, everywhere. Not just on holiday. bigdog despite the image you project and an obvious talent with words I view you as limited. Where have you lived other than in Texas? If you have been anywhere then you would know that people everwhere are essentially the same. It's just the governments and languages that are different. You don't have any perspective. You're just some young guy who likes to say fuck alto. You don't impress me. Not that you should care but I see through your talk.

As one 40 year old to another.. stop acting like my 17 year old. Resorting to personnel attacks just underminds all your attempts to get readers to agree with your view. If you have too resort to these type of post then don't. Show the level of maturity you profess to exhibit since your ultimate goal is to convince undecided in the middle that your candidate is the best choice so they will go and vote in November.

Oh and bigdog doesn't resort to personal attacks. Fuck you shatter. I'll address him any way I choose. If you don't like it get out of the sandbox.

I call your arguments and points clown and ridiculous. I'm sure you're a nice person......somehow. And if you were ever to show up at a TTP event, I'd be the first to buy you a beer.

And then immediately say you're a dumb face.