Thread: Obama quotes

Ronald wouldn't have to drive down his prices because if you opened a businesses Ronald with his massive amount of dollars and well-known image, plus with parternship with The King, would use corporate bullying and take you out of business thus allowing them to stay in business. It would work much like the Mob did, or drug pushers. Do you think anyone would even try to compete with the cartel in South American? not if they wanted to stay alive. Or the mob, how many people competed with the Mob? not many because if you did they bullied your ass out of there right away.

We cannot survive on capitalism, just like we can't survive on Communism or Socialism. I want mixed market because then Billy Bob can open Billy Bob's burgers and fries, and i'll be the first to try his burgers and fries. I don't want capitalism because capitalism forgos anti-trust and runs the little guy out of the marketplace. And i hate eating at chain restaurants, i really fucking do. The food is usually shitty. But thats off topic. Basically i'm saying i want competition and that why i DON'T want capitalism.

Pure capitalism which is capitalism, anything other then pure capitalism is called a mixed market (minus communism)

So you are saying capitalism gives the big boys free reign to injure and kill those who oppose them?

And he said he wants some capitalism, with controls. In my opinion there is a difference in controls and regulations. Regulations say these are the people who can make burgers, or this is how you have to make them, or where you have to sell them. I am all for controls that say if I want to make burgers and Red does too that I can't kill him to compete with me, but don't see how that is business regulation.

because its government interference in the market or "Regulation mandated by a state attempts to produce outcomes which might not otherwise occur, produce or prevent outcomes in different places to what might otherwise occur, or produce or prevent outcomes in different timescales than would otherwise occur."

so by saying you must allow Billy Bob to open his own burger shop (by the way billy bob is a fictional character) the government put regulations on Ronald. Likewise telling Billy Bob, "you must used meat that is safe for consumption" is regulation but in this case protecting the consumer. Price needs to be regulated as well but in terms of price fixing. i.e. Billy Bob can't go meet with Ronald and say, "hey lets both charge $4 dollars for a burger so that way we both make more money"

And then there are consumers like myself who do their research and will not support the company that takes shortcuts.

I use my dollar to speak, and it is working. In the last 5 years the availability of local, organic & environmentally green products has increased and their price has decreased. I suspect it is due to a growing number of Americans (such as myself) learning a thing or two about the environment, health, and well being of the world. If consumers drive the market they should learn how to steer. McDonalds = sh!t.

actually we really aren't arguing anyone positions more the meaning of capitalism, and my point on capitalism was directed at a post early in the thread about completely regulation the markets. That and my annoyance of people calling deregulated (Even a little bit) capitalism, and regulation=socialism. When its further from the truth since both create a mix market. If someone said (and im sure someone did) that taking from the rich to give to the poor is socialism then yes they would be correct. But if they said add more regulations to the private market is socialism then no they are not. Same thing with people saying deregulation is capitalism. It isn't, its only capitalism when you have no regulation on the private market, but just deregulating health care for example is not capitalism or anything close.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

And then there are consumers like myself who do their research and will not support the company that takes shortcuts.

I use my dollar to speak, and it is working. In the last 5 years the availability of local, organic & environmentally green products has increased and their price has decreased. I suspect it is due to a growing number of Americans (such as myself) learning a thing or two about the environment, health, and well being of the world. If consumers drive the market they should learn how to steer. McDonalds = sh!t.

In most mixed markets that is true, what you consume is what drives the market. If you consume more lettuce, more people grow lettuce, thus dropping the price of lettuce. Of course we have to regulate the amount of people making lettuce because if lettuce is what everyone is buying, all the farmers want to make lettuce. However if they all did we would have no corn to feed animals, which would hurt numerous markets and so on. Plus the influx of lettuce would mean the price of lettuce would collapse and then the farmers would make less money for their crop of lettuce. They would switch eventually but it would already have had an effect.

Now let turn it into a current issue. Bad mortgages got bought up because Fannie and Freddy were doing it. The banks felt if they were doing it, then it must be profitable for us to loan to these high-risk people. So they all started making high-risk loans because they felt it was the most profitable venture with their opportunity cost being safe loans. Of course we all know those loans will not all pay off and sure enough they didn't so banks now are not lending out money because the opportunity cost of lending the money is too great. Eventually they will begin to make safe loans but no-one knows how long that will be.