Thread: Politics of fear

Originally Posted by jmw_man

Originally Posted by WorstPE

Originally Posted by jmw_man

Someone else mentioned that the money should just go to us as if we could spend it better. The problem is that, we would never spend it on infrastructure. The other problem is that if the people got the money, you increase the worth of people, not america.

But wouldn't our spending of our own money go back into the system? That's how it'll fix the infrastructure.

We get more money per paycheck. With that extra money we could either, pay off our debts (this alone in the long run will help tremendously), spend more and that goes into companies who spend more to fix their debt and in thus expanding their company. It will all branch out from there.

I know that's not the best explaination. But that's what I can think of right now.

That's not infrastructure. If we had the money, it wouldn't go to roads, bridges, dams, etc.

The money we spend is taxed right? The more we spend the more money is taxed so that goes to the government and in from there is shelled out to the states. And it is up the the states to spend that money on roads, highways, schools, anything else that will fix, upkeep, or build what is needed.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

From what I have heard Obama is tired of the same of arguement that the GOP is bringing to the table. Tax cuts here and there is not going to save the economy and get us out of this rut. I dont know 100% that Obama's plan will work but damn lets give it a shot. If we went with the GOP plan we will be reverting back to the way we ran things the last eight years. Even though some of you think that rebuilding roads and bridges is a waste but it will create massive amounts of jobs.

Although I agree with you. But you have to remember that we live in America. Where the majority of people are lazy and do not want a job that would require them to work. You say building roads and bridges will create alot of jobs. True. But a lot of people don't want to do manual labor to get paid.

This might be a long shot. But if taxes go up to pay for these new additions. Who would want to drive when we have no money to spend?

Originally Posted by Consultant

Did any body hear about the Limbaugh Obama stimulus plan?

Since 52% of america voted for Obama, he and his ilk get to spend 52% of the stimulus money however they like, and since 47'ish% of america voted for McCain, the republicans get to spend that percentage however they like.

Like that would work...

McCain's newest plan that he floated in a bill got shot down yesterday....it was a good one too:

McCain's plan would have cut the bottom two income tax brackets and lowered corporate income taxes. It also would have extended unemployment benefits and provide money to repair and replace military equipment worn out in Iraq and Afghanistan.
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...dtwHQD965MIC80)

Too bad he didn't suggest this plan during the election or it might have been a lot more well received rather than his base appealing plan which was fail in waiting.

Who cares about the troops in the desert. Right?

Originally Posted by jmw_man

I'm far from being an economist but I look at it this way:

When you look at your net worth, you count the money in the bank and you have your property appraised. Who is richer, a man with no possessions but 5 mill in the bank or a man with a 5 mill dollar house and no money in the bank? I say neither because their net worths are still the same. To me, this stimulus bill will improve the net worth of america by improving its roads, bridges, parks, recreational areas, law enforcement tools, birth control, etc. In addition to improving our net worth, we will produce many different jobs. We want to get this economy going, then we need to eliminate our unemployment. To do so, create the jobs. Since we are already creating jobs, lets not concentrate strictly on construction jobs, lets produce a variety of jobs in different fields to better fit the experience areas of the unemployed.

This is also what I want. But like I stated before. Americans are lazy. We need to stop being lazy and do something with our lives. I'm not trying to negative, but we use to be the leaders in manufactoring and science. Now look at us? All of the manufactoring is doing overseas and the rest of the world is starting to match us in science.

This problem, I feel, goes deeper than people want to believe. We live in a society where we "Feel" we should be handed a job that pays a lot. We "feel" we should be handed money because we are intitled to it.

What we need to do is cut the cord. Look around you, America. Nothing is handed for free. Everything you see around you required a lot of work. But most people don't want to see that. They just want to live in the now and not think about anything else.

I am so going off topic. Sorry.

Originally Posted by jmw_man

Originally Posted by WorstPE

Originally Posted by jmw_man

Originally Posted by WorstPE

Originally Posted by jmw_man

Someone else mentioned that the money should just go to us as if we could spend it better. The problem is that, we would never spend it on infrastructure. The other problem is that if the people got the money, you increase the worth of people, not america.

But wouldn't our spending of our own money go back into the system? That's how it'll fix the infrastructure.

We get more money per paycheck. With that extra money we could either, pay off our debts (this alone in the long run will help tremendously), spend more and that goes into companies who spend more to fix their debt and in thus expanding their company. It will all branch out from there.

I know that's not the best explaination. But that's what I can think of right now.

That's not infrastructure. If we had the money, it wouldn't go to roads, bridges, dams, etc.

The money we spend is taxed right? The more we spend the more money is taxed so that goes to the government and in from there is shelled out to the states. And it is up the the states to spend that money on roads, highways, schools, anything else that will fix, upkeep, or build what is needed.

That wouldn't put a big enough dent in the amount of money the cities would receive.

But creating money out of thin air and then applying interest to it would help? Or burrowing money, made up from another nations bank would?

All we are doing is creating more debt. Sure it'll look pretty on the outside. But in the long run, everyong will be indebt to everyone. This cycle will never be broken.

What do you mean, your family is doing well in that area?