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02-06-09, 05:49 PM #51
Re: Politics of fear
Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2
What if the person selling milk at $3 is losing sales to a competitor that is still selling milk at $2? Will the three dollar man let his milk rot on the shelf?
The increasing price scenario that you describe is what would happen if wages increased, i.e. the milkman is paying his employees more money. It is not what happens when taxes decrease, i.e. the milkman's costs stay constant but the employee's take home more money. In that case sales increase at $2 until demand for milk outstrips supply.
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02-06-09, 05:58 PM #52Re: Politics of fear
the best way to put it is look at gas prices, ever see them compete? nope. why not? they all make money when price is the same.
Business isn't about, you sell at 3 dollars so i'll sell mine at 2.50 to get more sales, anymore. Its become all about, lets both set our prices at $3 dollars because then we both will make 3 dollars.
My earlier example may not have been best but its just pointing out the fact that it tends to be, the more money we have the more the cost of things goes up.
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02-06-09, 10:37 PM #54
Re: Politics of fear
Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2
Point is, consumer/citizen money is and is going to be spent...........by whom and spent on what, are the major problems I have....I would prefer I spend my own money, as opposed to Congress spending it......I would rather spend my money on things I and my family need...not on roads and infrastructure.....
Technically any tax I pay to create jobs isn't helping me at all, b/c my line of work isn't working on roads and buildings....Either way money is being spent...so why not let us keep the money in the first place so we can see direct results? Not to mention my point before also; tax cuts will benefit only those who pay taxes...so leeches of society can't leech off of a government action.
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02-07-09, 10:22 AM #55
Re: Politics of fear
I, having a small, business understand a Little about this....... I keep my prices Low through having a low overhead thereby giving my customers a Quality product at a Fair price. I make up in Volume what I don't make on the Front End going into the project.
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02-07-09, 01:50 PM #56Re: Politics of fear
first on the leeching comment, how does that fix it in any way so they can't though? why not fix wellfare instead, can't be that hard. well except for the fact no politican will do it because they'd piss off a voter base and they don't dare to do that.
Second not good at conveying a point but to me cutting taxes isn't a fix. we can cut taxes when we make the room to do so. right now we spend money on all sorts of shit that doesn't work, basically wasting money. Cut the crap thats worthless then be my guess to cut taxes.
But i hate the idea of just cutting taxes because its not fixing anything with the government and gives them no reason to fix problems
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02-07-09, 04:08 PM #57
Re: Politics of fear
Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2
Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2
AGAIN, I know how to spend my own money better than Congress does..........are tax cuts across the board the best idea? Maybe not, but it's a better option than having a stimulus bill that will do nothing to solve our long term problems.
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02-07-09, 04:30 PM #58Re: Politics of fear
i think neither are better. stimulus bill doesn't do enough stimulus and i don't feel we should cut taxes and spend the same amount of money on failed programs that need to be tossed out the window.
I don't get to see the budgets and programs money is being put into, but i have no doubt that we have many many government programs that are supposed to do this and that and the other the do nothing but suck up money.
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02-07-09, 04:51 PM #59
Re: Politics of fear
Originally Posted by rock_lobster
Government spending on carefully selected projects will create jobs. Infrastructure jobs require equipment operators, project planners, architects, civil engineers, etc. On the other hand I would agree that government spending on more WinXP Pro licenses and shit like that would not create jobs either. It just cause a little more server activity at Microsoft and ______.
It sounds like congress is doing a pretty good job at weeding out the junk projects and has also included tax incentive provisions (but not income tax cuts as far as I know).
The government process is working. Its ugly to watch, but in the end I think we'll have a pretty good bipartisan package. Of course the pundits will find a few zits and put them under magnifying glasses to disgust us, but that's the media.
Last I heard the bill was expected to go up for a vote on Tuesday. If it passes then Obama will still have to sign it or veto it. He's pretty pissed that education spending got hammered in the latest version of the bill.
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