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03-01-09, 11:25 AM #61
Re: Inconvenient Debt?
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03-01-09, 11:40 AM #62Re: Inconvenient Debt?
Or, even better, how does a multi-billion dollar bailout of American auto makers help someone like Soy who uses either his feet, his bicycle, or public transportation to get almost everywhere he goes? I am sure Soy knows many people in his local area that are much the same. So you are going to take all of their tax dollars, roll them into a pool, and give whatever percentage of them to a cause that not only will it not benefit them, but also is probably somewhat opposed to their core values and beliefs. So let's keep dancing shall we?
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03-01-09, 11:57 AM #63
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$24 million for United States Department of Agriculture buildings and rent
$176 million for renovating Agricultural Research Service buildings
$290 million for flood prevention
* $50 million for watershed rehabilitation
* $1.4 billion for wastewater disposal programs
* $295 million for administrative expenses associated with food stamp programs
* $1 billion for the 2010 Census
* $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges and libraries
* $650 million for the digital TV converter box coupon program
* $2 billion for Byrne Justice Assistance Grant program
* $10 million to combat Mexican gunrunners
* $125 million for rural communities to combat drug crimes
* $1 billion for the Community Oriented Policing Services program
* $1 billion for NASA
* $300 million to purchase scientific instruments for colleges and museums
* $400 million for equipment and facilities at the National Science Foundation
* $3.7 billion to conduct "green" renovations on military bases
* $375 million for Mississippi River projects
* $10 million for urban canals
* $5 billion for weatherizing buildings
* $2 billion to develop advanced batteries for hybrid cars
* $3.4 billion for fossil energy research
* $5.1 billion for environmental cleanup around military bases
* $5.5 billion for "green" federal buildings
* $300 million for "green" cars for federal employees
* $20 million for IT upgrades at the Small Business Administration
* $200 million to design and furnish Department of Homeland Security headquarters
* $98 million earmarked for a polar icebreaker
* $210 million for State and local fire stations
* $125 million to restore trails and abandoned mines
* $146 million for trail maintenance at National Park Service sites
* $140 million for volcano monitoring systems
* $600 million for the Environmental Protection Agency Superfund environmental cleanup program
* $200 million to clean up leaking underground storage tanks
* $500 million for forest health and wildfire prevention
* $25 million for the Smithsonian Institution
* $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
* $1.2 billion for "youth activities" (for "youth" up to 24 years old)
* $500 million earmarked for National Institute of Health facilities
* $1 billion for Head Start Program
* $32 million for home-delivered nutrition services
* $160 million for volunteer programs at the Corporation for National and Community Service
* $500 million earmarked for the SSA National Computer Center in Maryland
* $220 million for the International Boundary and Water Commission, U.S. and Mexico
* $8 billion for high-speed railways (This amount is 4 times higher than the one voted on Tuesday in the Senate bill)
* $1.3 billion for Amtrak
How is any of this pork going to help the average hard working, tax paying American? Coupons for tv boxes? Volcano monitoring systems. Obama went on tv and promised every American this bill would not have a single bit of pork in it. He's a liar and should be impeached for it. I'm pissed off and you should be too. He is mortgaging our children's future so that Nancy Pelosi's district (San Francisco) get millions of dollars for wetlands restoration. All the people that helped get him elected are getting their big fat $800 billion thank you.
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03-01-09, 12:05 PM #64
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WHat is wrong with volcano monitoring systems? If we learned anything from H. Katrina, predicting natural disasters is pretty useful. And besides, installing those systems will create jobs and the stations will need attendees. Also it is 140 million out hundreds of BILLIONS. I voted for Obama, and I do not see much pork there. All of those projects are worthwhile and will create jobs for at least as long as it takes to construct and many for the long haul.
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03-01-09, 12:07 PM #65
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Originally Posted by CivilWars
Ultimately, however the problem get's fixed, I see it coming out of American's pockets. For no other reason than we have been living beyond our means for some time. And it is time to pay the piper.
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03-01-09, 12:10 PM #66Re: Inconvenient Debt?
He asked for examples of decisions made by the federal government that would be good for some, and bad for others. There are two examples. So explain to me how the auto bailout is good for you, or admit that it is indeed bad for you, and I do admit that it is good for some.
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03-01-09, 12:15 PM #67
Re: Inconvenient Debt?
Originally Posted by CivilWars
Really though I am torn on the first bailout. I think on one hand that the failures need to pay for their mistakes and go down in flames. But as a big softee I hate to see that happen and I want those who say that helping bolster them will "fix" it. I see anything short of the government taking those businesses and running them fixing them however as unlikely to be effective. they have been repeatedly rewarded for their bad habits and CEO's tend to think very short term.
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03-01-09, 12:53 PM #68
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So with all these building projects, how does that help me(us), the college graduate looking for corporate work?
I don't build roads, bridges, houses,....I dont build anything.
I still say, screw the bailouts and give companies and citizens tax breaks....it eliminates a majority of government involvement, and lets us keep our money directly...not to mention, it only affects those who pay taxes...not the leeches sucking us dry.
The government is making itself seem more important than it is. They think they must be involved in everything or else we will fail. Right now, it's bailouts, next they will be taking compelte control of everything, with the excuse that the country will crash if they do not intervene. It's their fucking fault we are here to begin with, and now we want them to solve our problems? Screw that. Clinton, Bush, Obama....all of em....we do not need more government intervention. They are like the overbearing parent trying to control the lives of their 30 year old married son. Leave us alone!
LESS GOVERNMENT = LESS PROBLEMS!!!
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03-01-09, 12:57 PM #69
Re: Inconvenient Debt?
Originally Posted by SoySoldier
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03-01-09, 01:00 PM #70
Re: Inconvenient Debt?
Originally Posted by rock_lobster
Those projects need all kinds of people and may attract other business too. Where the construction goes food vending carts tend to follow! Also, those projects are not only built by grunt construction workers but a whole host of support staff including office lackeys, designers, engineers, graphic designers, etc. And the theory is those people will have some employment at least for a period, leaving other jobs for the likes of others. Also, not all the things slated are construction, many are research and development which requires scientists and offic workers.
The other day I went to a McCormick and Schmick's (a big and pretty fancy restaurant chain). I was applying for a bartending job they advertised. they had also advertised cook and server positions. I shit you not there were FORTY people in there filling out applications. I have never seen that... times are tough, people need jobs.
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