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04-24-09, 04:52 PM #51
Re: I got your torture right here.
Originally Posted by dex71
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture
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04-24-09, 04:57 PM #52
Re: I got your torture right here.
If they are POWs, why do they get civilian trials with civilian attorneys under civilian laws? I don't recall letting German, Italian, or Japanese POWs contest their imprisonment by giving them million dollar lawyers and a favorable set of rules. We held them for the duration, without charge, because they were enemy combatants, hence the term Prisoner of War.
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04-24-09, 05:01 PM #53
Re: I got your torture right here.
Originally Posted by hawgballs
Personally,I'm not against waterboarding,but playing Kanye West is going too far.
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04-24-09, 05:05 PM #54
Re: I got your torture right here.
It's funny how during an election, your candidate mentions David Petraeus at least a thousand times in a news cycle when it comes to our troops, yet you don't defer to him when it comes to torture and whether it is necessary......... Is he not good enough anymore to quote, if he doesn't back your argument?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051001963.html
and another quote from the General..........This fight depends on securing the population, which must understand that we -- not our enemies -- occupy the moral high ground. This strategy has shown results in recent months. AL Qaeda's indiscriminate attacks, for example, have finally started to turn a substantial portion of the Iraqi population against it...
I... know firsthand the bonds between members of the 'brotherhood of the close fight.' Seeing a fellow trooper killed by a barbaric enemy can spark frustration, anger, and a desire for immediate revenge. As hard as it may be, however, we must not let those emotions lead us... to commit hasty, illegal actions...
Some may argue that we would be more effective if we sanctioned torture or other expedient methods to obtain information from the enemy. They would be wrong. Beyond the basic fact that such actions are illegal, history shows that they also are frequently neither useful nor necessary. Certainly, extreme physical action can make someone "talk;" however, what the individual says may be of questionable value...
In everything we do, we must observe the standards and values that dictate that we treat noncombatants and detainees with dignity and respect. While we are warriors, we are also human beings.
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04-24-09, 05:11 PM #55
Re: I got your torture right here.
Originally Posted by asianator365
If you have a problem with how they are tried and who tries/defends them, take that up with the courts. The fact of the matter is, if they are officially POWs, then Geneva Convention applies. If they aren't officially POW's, but enemy combatants, I believe the GC still applies........
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04-24-09, 05:16 PM #56
Re: I got your torture right here.
Originally Posted by hawgballs
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04-24-09, 05:16 PM #57
Re: I got your torture right here.
Originally Posted by dex71
One does not need to torture in order to interrogate properly/successfully. Like I said before, I believe the courts ruled that the GC applies. Idunno about the Sodium Pentathol......
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04-24-09, 05:20 PM #58
Re: I got your torture right here.
Two things I forgot: We should spend a lot of money (we seem to be doing that on worthless crap a lot lately) on chemical assisted interrogations. Get some researchers something to do, maybe learn a little bit more about the human psyche, and get something useful out of it all at the same time. I also forgot to mention that I don't think any of our troops in the world today expect to be treated according to the Geneva Convention if they are captured.
And I had a question (more just to get other people's opinions/thoughts on it than anything else): If we expect our military personnel to be treated according to the Geneva Convention, what about military and civilian contractors in a war zone?
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04-24-09, 05:21 PM #59
Re: I got your torture right here.
Originally Posted by asianator365
Civilian Courts=OK to torture?
POW=Not OK to torture?
Since when does our civilian court system condone torture? Why should it do so in regards to enemy combatants? Torture is torture.
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04-24-09, 05:23 PM #60
Re: I got your torture right here.
Originally Posted by asianator365
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