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Thread: Separation of Church and State. New house bill that caught my eye...
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07-02-09, 11:37 AM #72
Re: Separation of Church and State. New house bill that caught my eye...
Originally Posted by Highstakes72
Believeing that we are ruining our planet and environment, is not a "religion", and it is not extortion. You seem to think that global warming is still being debated. It is only being debated in the ever smaller circle of right wingers and corporations. A vast majority of qualified and respected scientist are not debating what they see as fact anymore. So your trying to compare "religion" and the beleif that we are destroying our environment as conspiracies to extort, falls flat on it's face.
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07-02-09, 12:23 PM #73
Re: Separation of Church and State. New house bill that caught my eye...
Originally Posted by HuntnJade
As far as morality and religion as background... Our Orbital Pre-Frontal Cortex (PFC) in conjunction with the cingulate cortex appears to create a sense of what socially acceptable behavior is and our aptitude for attaining it. Yes it is likely the frontal lobe was in development long before religion, so were societal morals. As these morals are a construct. Is the animal that eats its weakest young amoral? Or is it contributing to a healthy future for its species? Our advanced brain lets us abstract such ideas as morality; thus morality varies widely across cultures.
Thou shalt not kill (and that is one of the oldest interpretations, some have changed it to murder instead of kill) is not consistent with the death penalty which it seems many people support. So which is the moral path? And as an athiestic agnostic (I do not know whether there is a deity, but I find it very unlikely) who does not supprt the death penalty, how does religion influence my moral code? Is my belief then amoral as I have no religion even though it is in keeping with what has been presented as a "moral" code by religion?
There were many other religions at work in the founding of our country and throughout human history. I am all for recognizing the role religion has played in humanities past (and will continue to) because it is objective to note such things. And history serves us best when it is kept objective. But I believe it is essential to keep government and religion separate. So does the first amendment. And that is really what this resolution is about. The last four numbered points are the actual effect of this resolution, and they are not in keeping with the concept of prohibiting the government from "respecting an establishment of religion"."
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07-02-09, 01:16 PM #74
Re: Separation of Church and State. New house bill that caught my eye...
Originally Posted by hawgballs
http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers...IN%20CYCLE.pdf
You and I are too young to remember the 1970s Ice Age scare...but to argue that debate is over on any scientific topic would be wrong. Whether it be large or small we have a limited understanding of our world. I am reserved about the idea that only in recent time did human activity cause a "dire" environmental catastrophe...But I vehemently contest the "right" for anyone to suppress another person's rights on the basis that MAYBE the Earth will be 1c warmer. The better option is to quit suppressing available existing low/no emission technology and start being more of a boy scout. I commend anyone that uses less than they produce...Subaru comes to mind....California...A state that imports more energy than anyone..Does not. Suppressing all development is not the answer encourage developement in the direction you desire through positive means not by authoritarian mandate.
However if there is such a group so clearly superior in mental capacity perhaps they could chip off some time and answer a question that has been bugging me.... String theory? or Quantum Mechanics? I asked some physicists here at work but they just laughed at me...Maybe Al Gore knows :5
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07-02-09, 07:02 PM #75
Re: Separation of Church and State. New house bill that caught my eye...
Originally Posted by SoySoldier
Soy you make excellent points here and I love the path your thoughts have taken... excellent. I do agree and Hawg are you like living in my head or something We seem to agree on most every point we both argue debate around here.
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