Church and State again

**Highstakes72** · 07-14-09, 12:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeuBB...layer_embedded

Personally, I do not see a conflict. Crosses are on numerous graves and memorials at countless federal properties across the nation. So long as it is a military memorial I see no issue especially if it is also on a military reservation. (which was not stated...)

**Whiskey_dod** · 07-14-09, 03:17 PM

Its a memorial. That is a stupid as taking down the crosses at Arlington cemetary

**BruceBloodMaster** · 07-14-09, 04:15 PM

The ACLU Sucks donkey scrotum ! Abolish the ACLU ! Communist sukkas !

**MotoZ** · 07-14-09, 06:06 PM

The ACLU usually does a pretty good job of picking cases, but I think they dropped the ball on this one. :P

If that cross was put up recently I could see an issue. But standing since the 1930s? That thing has crossed the boundary from religious statement and entered historical landmark territory IMO.

**Muqtar SGT_Clintok** · 07-14-09, 06:42 PM

Typical ACLU.

Nothing out of that organization surprises me at this point.

**rock_lobster** · 07-14-09, 10:53 PM

So they have nothing better to do than this?

**KeYYeK** · 07-15-09, 12:50 AM

They definitely have much better to do than this... trying to remove religious imagery is one thing, but preserving history is quite another. I don't think they have much grounds on the case, and this will just add to the pile of cases that I don't like them for. (This is not to say they haven't done good things, but I'd be lying if I said everything that they've done is good.)

**CallousDisregard** · 07-15-09, 05:40 AM

Funny how they never sue a particular branch of religion for their actions.
Perhaps because the "discovery" phase most often involves cadaver dogs.

I thought it just said that the government shall never establish a state church, not that the church and state could never exist in the same place.

**dex71** · 07-15-09, 06:24 AM

Idealism run amok.

What the hell is this country coming to? The fuckin loonies are taking over. We can openly burn a flag as a part of free speech...but put a cross in the desert of California,and some whack-job from Oregon throws a tizzy,and he has never been affected by it at all....never even seen it. They don't consider it free speech,historical..nothing. How does a cross on a rock,in the middle of nowhere,constitute a state -sponsored religion? Sad and pathetic.

**Whiskey_dod** · 07-15-09, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by dex71

Idealism run amok.

What the hell is this country coming to? The fuckin loonies are taking over. We can openly burn a flag as a part of free speech...but put a cross in the desert of California,and some whack-job from Oregon throws a tizzy,and he has never been affected by it at all....never even seen it. They don't consider it free speech,historical..nothing. How does a cross on a rock,in the middle of nowhere,constitute a state -sponsored religion? Sad and pathetic.

Not Idealism, retardism.

I am what you might call an Idealist. And that is not, in any sort of way, ideal. I agree witht the seperation of church and state, but this is taking it too far. HIstory is done, all you can do is change the future (Ideally).