Palin may leave Republican Party

**Big_Boze** · 07-17-09, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by K0nTANK3Rous

Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK!

The difference is that a theory can be tested and disproven (I think... feel free to correct me if that's not quite right.)

A faith in terms of an organized religion typically can't.

The idea is that you don't have to prove/disprove anything with faith. You just believe it is what it is.

Basically another, conformist, sheepish ideal placed upon those that need some guidance otherwise they're "lost". Hence, the Messiah to be likened to a shepard. Church is an institution, a means to control, it always has been. It WAS the law back in the day. People who outright shun evolution are ignorant fools. How is it that flu strains can mutate? That's called evolution folks, one of the only fastest examples we as humans will ever see, since it obviously takes 100's, 1000's, 1M's of years for some. But...if you want to look at is as your God sending it down like a thunderous lightening bolt, to punish you for masterbating that time in the shower after school, while thinking of kinky shit with your Latin professor, so be it.

Wow. Looks like I'll be seeing you in hell.

**Killing Hours** · 07-17-09, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by K0nTANK3Rous

Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK!

The difference is that a theory can be tested and disproven (I think... feel free to correct me if that's not quite right.)

A faith in terms of an organized religion typically can't.

The idea is that you don't have to prove/disprove anything with faith. You just believe it is what it is.

Basically another, conformist, sheepish ideal placed upon those that need some guidance otherwise they're "lost". Hence, the Messiah to be likened to a shepard. Church is an institution, a means to control, it always has been. It WAS the law back in the day. People who outright shun evolution are ignorant fools. How is it that flu strains can mutate? That's called evolution folks, one of the only fastest examples we as humans will ever see, since it obviously takes 100's, 1000's, 1M's of years for some. But...if you want to look at is as your God sending it down like a thunderous lightening bolt, to punish you for masterbating that time in the shower after school, while thinking of kinky shit with your Latin professor, so be it.

From websters: FAITH

1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.
8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.

according to that definition... "faith" is more than just an "ideal" placed upon someone... it's ones "belief" in something that has not been proven. (I.e. a scientist has "faith" that the big bang actually happened)

The "church" per say is an institution... see Catholic, Muslim, Buddist etc. However, "Religion" is not the same as the "Church".

Websters again: RELIGION

–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

So by definition... "Science" is a religion. And seeing how there is so much science can't explain but has many "Theories" on... it's a religion based in "FAITH".

So the whole "he's wrong, she's wrong" bickering is a moot point because neither side can prove the other wrong (due to lack of evidence). In the end... it's up to you to believe what you believe and let bygones be bygones. No one is right or wrong... they just have their own PERSONAL beliefs.

**PizzaSHARK!** · 07-18-09, 07:43 AM

Again, I'd say the difference is that science accumulates evidence for or against a theory (technically they can only accumulate evidence which disproves the theory? Doesn't make sense to me but that's what they're saying in the other thread) through experimentation.

With a religious faith, you don't really perform experiments to gain evidence of God's existence, or Allah's existence, or Yahweh's existence, or whatever. You just read what amounts to your religion's holy text(s) and maybe do a little critical thinking about it and talk about it, and that's about it.