Thread: Your chance to be a politician on copyright and music

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by bust331

And so begins the thread derailment.

wow, this actually lasted 4 pages!

actually its been in derailment process for awhile.

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by bust331

And so begins the thread derailment.

wow, this actually lasted 4 pages!

there's only like 4-5 people actively giving decent responses

I would like a ruling on what qualifies as "decent"

It's whatever the fuck I say it is! Man I like being a politician :9 jk

pfft more like a fail of politician, where the double-speak? Broken promises? Political correctness?

I left that up to our current president, whom by the way is doing a phenomenal job of doing all the things you listed :9

McCain doing a great job of that too "No it won't work" "oh well of course it will work"

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by bust331

And so begins the thread derailment.

wow, this actually lasted 4 pages!

actually its been in derailment process for awhile.

Originally Posted by rock_lobster

Originally Posted by bust331

And so begins the thread derailment.

wow, this actually lasted 4 pages!

there's only like 4-5 people actively giving decent responses

I would like a ruling on what qualifies as "decent"

It's whatever the fuck I say it is! Man I like being a politician :9 jk

pfft more like a fail of politician, where the double-speak? Broken promises? Political correctness?

I left that up to our current president, whom by the way is doing a phenomenal job of doing all the things you listed :9

McCain doing a great job of that too "No it won't work" "oh well of course it will work"

So are comparing Obama to McCain? Liberals will have your head on a platter

But after the last 8 years of bashing, Obama is in the clear, because he is no better than his predecessor eh?

said neither of those, just pointing out that both of the "Mainstream" candidates lie/lied like crazy

I vote nay. By the way, I have a fishing trip next week, the radio association of america is buying me off, uh, I have a meeting with some important constituents.

My thought is, radio stations are not going to pick up just any song from any artist if they have to pay. Many might close down. Most artist should thank radio stations for playing their songs and giving them exposure. So then some artist break off and offer their music to stations for free. We end up listening to craptastic no names.

In protest I think radio stations should just stop playing certain, influential(greedy) artists music. When they lose plays on there new single and dont hit number one and dont go double platinum and the album flops; See if they change their tune.

Originally Posted by MotoZ

Originally Posted by CanadianPersian

read the bold.

Canadian,

You are playing God here and deciding who makes money. Will AM/FM radio stations make money if they have to pay to play like XM Radio does?

Possibly not. Certainly a lot of the smaller stations will get buried by debt.

Fewer public-access radio stations means less exposure for the bands and artists. Less exposure means fewer record sales. How many jobs would be created by forcing these fees on AM/FM stations, versus how many lost due to radio stations having to close down due to the new fees?

And what of the smaller artists and local/regional bands that absolutely require the exposure the smaller, local stations provide? Certainly the big stations won't take a risk with an untested act, especially if they have to pay for it - why pay for something unproven when you can just pay for something you know the people like and will listen to?

All in all, I'd vote against the implementation of royalties having to be paid by public-access radio stations.




This is a fun thread.

Wow, you guys are retarded.


Radio stations DO pay royalties. Why don't you do some research on what ASCAP and BMI do.. In the country radio market, there are 3 kinds of stations.

There are Primary (billboard) secondary (Music Row) and 3rd party (all the other charts no one pays attention to). Radio stations pay out around 9-13 cents per spin of a song. These are then reported to the respective charts, and the spin count determains the position on the chart. Hints why I recieved a check a few months ago for 50 bucks for the period of october to december of last year. The "artist" per say dont make a dime off any songs. It is the "song writers" who own the copyrights that make the money.

Now, what is the incentive to pay for songs? I thought you would never ask. If you are a billboard station, large market, chances are you have about 300 different songs you spin a week. If you are spining the top 10 billboard songs X amount of times per week, more than any other station in your area. Well, guess what happens when that artist comes around? Your station gets the sponsorship/promotion of the tour.

For example, here in Indianapolis, we have our large market billboard station WFMS, (which wins ACM - CMA station of the year like every year) And when lets say, Brad Paisley comes to town, WFMS presents the show. Now our secondary station (HANKFM) does not report, nor pay royalties, but has a bigger song selection, that is a variety country station.

Song writers already collect copyright royalties from radio plays.

Those other charts depend on the type of station if you get down to the college vs. all others types of stations. For college stations, the CMJ is the most important, and then maybe Billboard.

Kraker is right about royalties. Even non-profs have to pay fees to people such as the BMI (albeit at a great discount, thank God).

The playing the top 30, top 50, etc. is another point. My station is a primarily indie station, but we do play the top main stream steam that we get off of the ERGs. Why? Because people want to hear them, and it creates a safe haven if you will for people to fall into after hearing an indie/loud rock/undergroup hip-hop song that they like but is a new experience for them. Hell, we put the new U2 single into rotation even though it was horrible (only into medium which=~10-15 plays per week) since there are plenty of people who go, "U2!!!!!OMG It's so awesome just because U2 is playing it!!!!!!!! We must listen!!!!!!!"

Consequently, people who tune into our station are more likely to stick around, which makes us look better which=more underwriting=more money and =more labels sending us music=more potential to gain/retain listeners=see the above equals thingamajig with money.

Now, you can also get into playing the singles vs. playing the best song off the album. That's because the singles are the ones being hyped and that people and record labels/promo companies/charts follow.

Most of the time, labels/promo companies send you the CDs for free with the policy that you must return them if asked as they're still technically record label property (my station has all of our albums/singles/etc. since when we began broadcasting in storage).

Now, imagine if an artist's popular song isn't added by a station or, to boot, the artist isn't being added by the station either. Do you think that label will continue to send the station music? Unless the station can honestly say, "Let's be honest. That whole CD is horrible. They're big, but that album just wasn't even close to being on par," the answer is no.

As to what you're pointing out Moto, to my understanding, when truly independent artists (ones without even a promotion company; a rare sight to be honest), give us demos, we don't pay them anything directly. Then again, the last group that just handed us a CD was Cowboy Mouth, but they have a promotion company and are awesome.

Why would an artist just hand a station a demo and hope for the best? Plays on a station can mean a bigger label signing you, increased fan base and likelihood of profitable tours, and more CD sales. For a new artist that isn't noticed, that's huge. I haven't seen an artist like that bring my station a good demo yet, but it could happen. (Too many people seeing MTV/BET and going, "I can generically and craptastically rap, too!" :3) The sad thing is, most of those generic imitators have good voices and rhythms they just feel the $$$ not the music. :3 It's far too common these days and is why I'm glad people like Kraker and Rooster are making money and doing well. I miss my cello and piano now. :3