Thread: How others feel about this governments plan.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Originally Posted by Blakeman

my quote or the day

Democrats want to be your mommy, Republicans want to be your daddy and Libertarians want you to become your own person.

More like Libertarians ascribe to "I got mine, so screw you" philosophy. Unfortunately, I am not wealthy enough to be a libertarian.

Um I think you have republicans and libertarians wrong.

Originally Posted by WorstPE

Um I think you have republicans and libertarians wrong.

Nope. I'm well-aware who I'm referring to, although I am also not wealthy enough to be a Republican, either. Libertarians are to the right of Republicans when it comes to economic policy.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Im sorry how was he wrong in anything he said? Your going to have to be specific because from what i saw he said nothing that was wrong.

WTF is talking about, "indoctrinating my kids"? That's a lie, no one is trying to indoctrinate his kids into anything. It's irrational paranoia. He got Nazism all wrong about being a left-wing ideology. It is fascism and a far-right ideology. (National Socialism is a misnomer.) Then he says we see it in this administration? That makes the guy nuts and extremely ignorant.

Originally Posted by Blakeman

I don't support a public option because I don't support a federal run health care system over a state run one. If California wants to set it up so that illegal immigrants are paid for then they can pay the taxes on that. If Kentucky wants to set it up so that you get a public option under X amount of income then they should pay for that.

All these federal plans don't work in the end because they are to vague, too general, and are usually mismanaged to the point they loose money hand over fist in waste.

It's not a federally-run health care system, though. It is a government-run insurance plan. I disagree that they don't work, and it is just that; an OPTION. A choice.

Originally Posted by Blakeman

Hopefully R and D gets "crushed" in this next election by Libertarians.

Eh, no thanks. I'd take Libertarians over Republicans anytime though, because at least I agree with them on social issues!

So basically your saying you just didn't see the sarcasim that he was throwing out there. As for him being nuts and extremely ignorant. Just how does that work for you. He has an opinion about something and because it doesn't match yours that makes him nuts and ignorant. Sorry buddy thats not how it works.

He is allowed to have his opinion of any topic he sees fit and to top that off he is allowed to voice his opinion regardless of how you or any one else feels about it. Just in case you haven't been keeping up with it the country is not sold on health care. I think this and many other videos/ news casts could show you the fact of the matter the country is in fact split on what should be done.

So instead of just jumping to he's just nuts and ignorant how about stepping back and try to see what he is talking about. In case you didn't know he is reffering to comments made by "OUR" oppointed officials that was basically saying we are to stupid to know what we want and it is up to them to make our mind up for us.

Originally Posted by Blakeman

Well if folks actually devote themselves to one hour a week reading up on their federal AND local governments actions then we would have a better country as a whole. I know neighbors of mine who don't know who the governor of our state is, nor our mayor....

If you want to be a peasant then you can be lazy and become oppressed, if you want improvement in your life you must remain informed of the goings on of those above you.



my quote or the day

Democrats want to be your mommy, Republicans want to be your daddy and Libertarians want you to become your own person.

Is that your quote or are you quoting someone else? I like it btw - thats why I was asking.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

So basically your saying you just didn't see the sarcasim that he was throwing out there. As for him being nuts and extremely ignorant. Just how does that work for you. He has an opinion about something and because it doesn't match yours that makes him nuts and ignorant. Sorry buddy thats not how it works.

What sarcasm? There was no sarcasm in his rant. And I am not calling him what I am calling him because he disagrees with me. I have had many discussions on here with people who disagree with me and I don't think they are nuts or unintelligent. (SJA comes to mind) My problem is with the falsehoods he is spreading and the paranoia. I mean, come on, "indoctrinating kids"? He says it was wrong for the Rep to come him to Nazi's, then goes on to come Obama's Administration to Nazi's? Those are the things that led me to call him what I did, and not because of what his opinions on the matter are.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

He is allowed to have his opinion of any topic he sees fit and to top that off he is allowed to voice his opinion regardless of how you or any one else feels about it. Just in case you haven't been keeping up with it the country is not sold on health care. I think this and many other videos/ news casts could show you the fact of the matter the country is in fact split on what should be done.

Yes, he is allowed to have his opinion, just like I am allowed to have my opinions, right? I think the country is sold on reform. They know we need reform, and people want reform and most support many of the things in the bill right now, including a public option. People may not approve of how Obama has been handling it, and I am one of those people. He has not been forceful enough in getting out the message and letting right-wing talking points fester.

And finding more video does not prove your point. I could find videos, too. They don't prove that there is a massive backlash.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

So instead of just jumping to he's just nuts and ignorant how about stepping back and try to see what he is talking about. In case you didn't know he is reffering to comments made by "OUR" oppointed officials that was basically saying we are to stupid to know what we want and it is up to them to make our mind up for us.

I understand that part, and I agree the Rep was wrong to say that if he said it. Does it make it right for him to come back with the same type of comparison? No. Can we at least agree on that?

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

So basically your saying you just didn't see the sarcasim that he was throwing out there. As for him being nuts and extremely ignorant. Just how does that work for you. He has an opinion about something and because it doesn't match yours that makes him nuts and ignorant. Sorry buddy thats not how it works.

What sarcasm? There was no sarcasm in his rant. And I am not calling him what I am calling him because he disagrees with me. I have had many discussions on here with people who disagree with me and I don't think they are nuts or unintelligent. (SJA comes to mind) My problem is with the falsehoods he is spreading and the paranoia. I mean, come on, "indoctrinating kids"? He says it was wrong for the Rep to come him to Nazi's, then goes on to come Obama's Administration to Nazi's? Those are the things that led me to call him what I did, and not because of what his opinions on the matter are.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

He is allowed to have his opinion of any topic he sees fit and to top that off he is allowed to voice his opinion regardless of how you or any one else feels about it. Just in case you haven't been keeping up with it the country is not sold on health care. I think this and many other videos/ news casts could show you the fact of the matter the country is in fact split on what should be done.

Yes, he is allowed to have his opinion, just like I am allowed to have my opinions, right? I think the country is sold on reform. They know we need reform, and people want reform and most support many of the things in the bill right now, including a public option. People may not approve of how Obama has been handling it, and I am one of those people. He has not been forceful enough in getting out the message and letting right-wing talking points fester.

And finding more video does not prove your point. I could find videos, too. They don't prove that there is a massive backlash.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

So instead of just jumping to he's just nuts and ignorant how about stepping back and try to see what he is talking about. In case you didn't know he is reffering to comments made by "OUR" oppointed officials that was basically saying we are to stupid to know what we want and it is up to them to make our mind up for us.

I understand that part, and I agree the Rep was wrong to say that if he said it. Does it make it right for him to come back with the same type of comparison? No. Can we at least agree on that?

I see the sarcasim being usewhen he's talking at the begining with the kids part. The nazi thing is a little drastic but it was them that pulled the whole brown shirt bullshit like they are above us. I'm not sold at all on the health care issue as many others. That is my only point to the videos deal.

This country is along way away from where it was meant to be. The constitution has been stretched to it's limits and i for one am tired of it.

The last part no to wrongs don't make a right. We all know this but sometimes people need reminders that they are on thin ice and I think he felt it was time. I am begining to think he is right. Our government has beaten us down for years and any one thats stands up get knocked back down. At some point in time reality has to set in and I hope it's soon. It isn't getting any better the longer it takes.

My opinion is our government as it stands is to corrupt to fix its self. The whole job seems to be more about money, position, and being above the law than being a public servant.