Thread: Gregg: U.S. could be on path to a 'banana republic' situation

Originally Posted by Alundil

Fov - it really just shows that they are in good company as all of those assholes had to check their conscience and their principles at the door.

That, more than anything else, is what stops me from seriously considering public office. I do not want to "wade through endless shit" not to mention sell my soul to the highest bidder, in order to have a chance of getting elected.

Politicians, those of the "I'm a politician" - career type, are all blood suckers and ultimately care nothing for the people that they profess to represent. That has been shown clearly over and over.

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Oh, I definitely agree, to an extent. I don't believe ALL politicians are unprincipled, but many are. The epitome of that "I'm a politician" career-type is probably Arlen Specter. The guy didn't think he could win the Republican primary, so he switched to Democratic side so he could stay in. The ironic thing is, though, that he may now lose in the Democratic primary.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Oh, I definitely agree, to an extent. I don't believe ALL politicians are unprincipled, but many are. The epitome of that "I'm a politician" career-type is probably Arlen Specter. The guy didn't think he could win the Republican primary, so he switched to Democratic side so he could stay in. The ironic thing is, though, that he may now lose in the Democratic primary.

And why is he going to lose ?

http://cbs3.com/local/Pennsylvania.Layoffs.State.2.1258008.html

Could it be that EVERYONE knows that printing money is going to come back to bite us in the ass ?

I also heard that the latest CBO scoring wasn't actually of the bill, but of a legislative draft with no hard numbers, ie BULLSHIT

Originally Posted by w4jchosen

Originally Posted by Glitch

Originally Posted by Alundil

“Now you can’t blame that on [former President] George [W.] Bush,” Greg said,

Yes I can

I blame every President since Regan except Clinton.

Clinton was the only one to reduce the deficit and even then it wasn't by much or for long. But he had turned the ship around and headed it in the right direction.

This is not directed at you Glitch, but I shake my head everytime I hear this about Clinton. Right place at the right time is what Clinton had going for him plus the loosing up of the credit/mortgage market, which has been a big factor for the mess we are in today. He also had the advantage of the "internet bubble". But yeah, Bush certainly did not help the situation and was disappointing.

Booya!

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

And why is he going to lose ?

http://cbs3.com/local/Pennsylvania.Layoffs.State.2.1258008.html

Could it be that EVERYONE knows that printing money is going to come back to bite us in the ass ?

He may lose the primary, I said. The Democrat won't lose the election, though. Pat Toomey will not win, mark it down.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

I also heard that the latest CBO scoring wasn't actually of the bill, but of a legislative draft with no hard numbers, ie BULLSHIT

I heard that pigs can fly and that babies come from sea turtles. True story.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

And why is he going to lose ?

http://cbs3.com/local/Pennsylvania.Layoffs.State.2.1258008.html

Could it be that EVERYONE knows that printing money is going to come back to bite us in the ass ?

He may lose the primary, I said. The Democrat won't lose the election, though. Pat Toomey will not win, mark it down.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

I also heard that the latest CBO scoring wasn't actually of the bill, but of a legislative draft with no hard numbers, ie BULLSHIT

I heard that pigs can fly and that babies come from sea turtles. True story.

Really.....pigs can fly .....it's called commercial air transport.
We might need a few more years on the babies from turtles thing but the tinkering with DNA is a growing field so who knows.
But we do know the CBO proved Obama a liar once, then got called on the carpet and it is a fact that the CBO did not score the Bacccccccccuuuuss bill on the legislative language.
So while I can't prove the estimates in the draft are bullshit, we can, based on previous experience, conclude that the numbers provided were less than 100.0% percent accurate to the best of current methods.

But you don't think Obama is spending too much, which makes me wonder what the fuck your smoking and where-do-i-get-some, since we don't have the money he is spending and we have no foreseeable way of paying back all the money we have had to borrow for that spending..... and ...we printed a shitload of money, which is going to cause inflation down the road.

When I see that, combined with all the other shit happening, I can see the American Dream crumble into gray socialist paste....but then again....maybe it's just the ketamine kicking in.

Originally Posted by w4jchosen

Originally Posted by Glitch

Originally Posted by Alundil

“Now you can’t blame that on [former President] George [W.] Bush,” Greg said,

Yes I can

I blame every President since Regan except Clinton.

Clinton was the only one to reduce the deficit and even then it wasn't by much or for long. But he had turned the ship around and headed it in the right direction.

This is not directed at you Glitch, but I shake my head everytime I hear this about Clinton. Right place at the right time is what Clinton had going for him plus the loosing up of the credit/mortgage market, which has been a big factor for the mess we are in today. He also had the advantage of the "internet bubble". But yeah, Bush certainly did not help the situation and was disappointing.

He had a hand in the direction the country was going during those times of "advantage". Imagine what type of conditions we would have been in, had GWB been in office...... I'll take the hillbilly from Arkansas over the blueblood from Kennebunkport (yeah, I said it, Bush isn't truly a Texan, nor a southerner, he is more of a Massachusetts blue blood than John Kerry) any day of the week. And I am not, nor ever was a Bill Clinton fan. But keep chuckling.
Unless you will apply the horrendous conditions of our economy on the predecessor of the current administration.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Really.....pigs can fly .....it's called commercial air transport.
We might need a few more years on the babies from turtles thing but the tinkering with DNA is a growing field so who knows.
But we do know the CBO proved Obama a liar once, then got called on the carpet and it is a fact that the CBO did not score the Bacccccccccuuuuss bill on the legislative language.
So while I can't prove the estimates in the draft are bullshit, we can, based on previous experience, conclude that the numbers provided were less than 100.0% percent accurate to the best of current methods.

Bullshit. The CBO scores on what is in the bill, not some invented excuse about "previous experience," even though in this case there is no previous experience. You say the CBO is a liar, then you say you can't disprove its numbers. How much sense do you make?

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

But you don't think Obama is spending too much, which makes me wonder what the fuck your smoking and where-do-i-get-some, since we don't have the money he is spending and we have no foreseeable way of paying back all the money we have had to borrow for that spending..... and ...we printed a shitload of money, which is going to cause inflation down the road.

He is not spending irresponsibly. Remember we are in this position with the deficit and debt because of Bush. We have to spend now because of the state of the economy, and we would have been in a better position if we were not royally fucked by Bush.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

When I see that, combined with all the other shit happening, I can see the American Dream crumble into gray socialist paste....but then again....maybe it's just the ketamine kicking in.

Well, ketamine is a hell of a drug.

I said what the CBO produced was bullshit because they did not have real numbers.
The real numbers were not provided because the result would show that it will cost us money.

Are seriously believing that we can add 9-10 million people to the insurance rolls ( the real number, not the BS 47 million) while cutting costs ?
Do you really believe that price controls will work ?
Can you tell me where they have worked before ?

The previous experience would be that NOTHING the federal government ever does comes in on or under budget.
There are always cost overruns, even in projects where all the costs can be predicted at a much higher rate of accuracy than is possible in the case of health care.

Who do you think is going to keep accepting gov insured payments when you are getting paid 50 cents on the dollar ?

What about the "Savings on waste and fraud " ?
If they can do that, why haven't they already ?
Why is there billions in Medicaid and Medicare fraud ever year if it is so easy to stop ?

But I am really just talking to myself because in your world, the federal government is going to compete economically with private companies in order to benefit the little guy.
Ketamine wasn't strong enough to see the world through your eyes so I am going to have to try compounding multiple substances until my grip on reality is loose enough to understand how you can honestly say you believe the incomprehensible bullshit spewed on Capitol Hill.