Thread: Reganomics

Originally Posted by Panic

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Well lets put it this way not any of those numbers are at 100% so i guess we must be doing something. I know i didn't type this big long ass post for you to read but it only took i sentence to blast your down. So much for the critical thinker.

Forgot to put in your lack of understanding when it comes to critical thinking. You say mj is less harmfull than alcohol and tobacco. Sorry but you are miss guided. Tobacco doesn't really do much of anything. It's the chemicals added to tobacco products that cause almost all of the damage.

Alcohol in moderation is actually good for you. When it is abused it becomes harmfull.

However mj isn't good for you from day one. It has characteristics that make it usefull medically. However there isn't one that is usefull nonmedically.

Is there anything else you would like to add critcal thinker?

This is beyond obscenely wrong. Tobacco is hilariously addictive and harmful for your health, it is, even without the added chemicals, bad for you, chocked full of carcinogens and whatnot. Alcohol has health benefits in small doses, but in the long run and in larger doses is toxic. Plus in the short term would you rather have 1000 drunk college kids fighting each other or 1000 high college kids sleeping?

MJ is, and I will repeat this, non-toxic. Like those markers you drew with in school, non-toxic. You can't overdose on it- if your argument is health based, then its immediately void. Even if you smoked joints (the most combustible e.g. most unhealthy method) all everyday, the cancer causing agents in MJ are insignificant, and has actually shown to prevent cancer and other drugs. You can die from drinking too much water, you can not die from smoking too much MJ.

Even if you don't want your kids to use MJ, legalization is STILL the best way to keep it out of their hands. I can tell you right now it is easier for me to go to school and buy an 8th then it is for me to buy a 6-pack. Bar none. And that is because of the prohibition. If your argument is centered around keeping crime down, look at alcohol prohibition; Al Capone made all of his criminal empire off of the illegal trade of alcohol. The Mexicans and gangs are now doing the same. No one is going to fight over control of the drug routes if I can walk to the corner store and buy a sack. Just like no one murders to control the "alcohol routes".

Environmentally hemp (male MJ plants) makes 10 times as much paper per acre then trees do, and grows in a couple months, as opposed to decades. Hemp is the most versatile plant on earth, its uses range from fabrics, ropes, papers, oils, lubricants, to even food staples.

Economically the taxing of MJ would create huge revenues for the government, while instantly eliminating the laughably large budget we have for fighting MJ (%98 of plants removed by the DEA last year were male, and thus unsmokable plants, planted during WWII by the government to manufacture hemp for the war effort) our prison system is something like %70 drug related (with %85 being MJ) costing billions per year. Even if you just look at arrests, the average arrest costs the tax payers 15 grand, multiply that by the 723,627 arrests for just POSSESSION from 2001 and you get $10,854,405.

Addiction wise, MJ is non-addictive. It, like spring water, can be mentally addictive- but every addiction statistic you have ever seen sprouts from the following system. When an arrest is made the defendant gets the chance to go to jail and pay fines, or go to rehab for their "addiction". They obviously choose rehab and get entered in as an "addicted" statistic.

I'm wrong or your opinion varies from mine?
When did you read a study on the cancer causing effects of mj? Last i knew a study had not been performed due to the fact it is an illegal substance. There for it would be kind of hard to run around saying it's non toxic even though it can produce toxic phsycosis in high doses.

I'm not going to address what you can buy because thats not what this thread is for. As for it not being addictive i would have to disagree with you. From what i have read and seen it most certainly is addictive. To the level of cigarettes i would say no not right of the bat but after years of it yes.

But once again people have limited this down to there subject of choice. I was talking about the war on drugs and you people made it about mj. Unbias maybe?

Originally Posted by Veovis

Panic, you obviously aren't thinking of the children.

I guess its just funny to you that kids die from illegal drugs. Nice

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Who said inhaling smoke was ok for your health?

YOU did. From the previous page:

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Tobacco doesn't really do much of anything. It's the chemicals added to tobacco products that cause almost all of the damage.

Let me guess, you were referring to the other common use of tobacco, eating it? Snorting it?

How is that statement wrong? I dont see anywhere on that line where it says it's good for you.

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Free will in a free country huh? Let me know when that really exsists then we can debate it.

In other words, if the direction our country is taking has changed from the vision of its founders, then all arguments to try to restore that vision are null?

How do you figure?

When women couldn't vote, would you have said, get back to me when blacks can vote? Two wrongs don't make a right...

Originally Posted by Consultant

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Free will in a free country huh? Let me know when that really exsists then we can debate it.

In other words, if the direction our country is taking has changed from the vision of its founders, then all arguments to try to restore that vision are null?

How do you figure?

When women couldn't vote, would you have said, get back to me when blacks can vote? Two wrongs don't make a right...

No, I think he is saying something about modern government curtailing free-will.

Think you are free? Try not paying your taxes. Hell, try doing anything that the law disapproves of. Free will isn't free because restrictive governments punish their naughty little free-will-exhibiting citizens if they color too far outside the lines.

Am I close?

exactly

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by Consultant

Originally Posted by Veovis

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Free will in a free country huh? Let me know when that really exsists then we can debate it.

In other words, if the direction our country is taking has changed from the vision of its founders, then all arguments to try to restore that vision are null?

How do you figure?

When women couldn't vote, would you have said, get back to me when blacks can vote? Two wrongs don't make a right...

No, I think he is saying something about modern government curtailing free-will.

Think you are free? Try not paying your taxes. Hell, try doing anything that the law disapproves of. Free will isn't free because restrictive governments punish their naughty little free-will-exhibiting citizens if they color too far outside the lines.

Am I close?

Do you know where the phrase "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" came from? If you don't, look it up.

Of all the unalienable rights a free human has, the number one right is HIS OWN BODY. It is the only thing he is born with, and for a government to tell someone what he can and can't do with his own body is the exact opposite of the vision of our forefathers. It's very close to telling someone what he can and can't believe, which is exactly the tyranny these same forefathers were escaping from.

The fact that we have to pay taxes or fulfill other societal obligations isn't in any way related to the discussion at hand, and saying "I won't debate with you because this society isn't really free" is a cop-out.

Do you or do you not believe that adults should have a right to do what they want with their own body? Simple question, YES or NO. If you don't believe that, I find it ironic you would swear "always faithful" to a country which was founded on those principles.

Really? You must stay inside alot.

Let me know when all of the laws that are past that effect what a person can do are gone then we'll discuss a free will state. As for the always faithful comment you obviously do not understand what its about to even say such a comment.

Like i said before i dont give a rats ass what an adult does with there body. Skin it and deep fry it for all i give a fuck. That does not mean one damn thing about what is being discussed. The fact remains illegal narcotics are just that illegal which include mj that seems to have everyone up in arms.

Originally Posted by Potemkine

Everyone, TTP has a 0 tolerance policy when it comes to illegal drugs. I would ask that you please steer this conversation away from the topic of illegal drugs and more towards the topic thread of Reaganomics. This is so we can keep TTP accessible to those at work/school with strict filters.