Thread: American Citizen on a Kill List

american white dont matter if hes a radical and a threat i say put one in his head

Originally Posted by Mr. White

Because it didn't have to go through the courts or some type of process where evidence was given.

If this were material for a court room, a hell fire missile or spec ops team wouldn't be the sanction he would face.

Although it does somewhat contradict the direction this administration has taken with AQ subjects doesn't it? If he falls into our custody before our bombs fall on his house, I am pretty sure it will go through the criminal court system.

Fox News did a special report on this guy last night at 9pm and after watching it there is something very fishy going on with this guy. Seems he had ties to some of the 9/11 hijackers

Yeah, the 9/11 commission didn't think anything of it, but the comments he made to an old neighbor about something big happening that would keep him from seeing the neighbor again are rather suspicious given that they were made just a month before 9/11. Two of the hijackers also attended mosques the cleric was in charge of in California and then later in Virginia. There were also witness testimonies of him having close door sessions with the hijackers.

This is why I don't mind that he's on the kill list, but I do mind that there is a kill list that American citizens can be put on.

Originally Posted by Jester(TA)

If you didnt do anything,You wont be put on a list. If you fuck up like this guy did,Well,thats another story.

Not sure that is the point that some in this thread are making Jester....

It is borderline over the line in terms of gub'ment's power. If in fact, there was no court case (secret or otherwise) that allow this person to be placed on a hit list then I find that to be very troubling. The reasoning is that there is nothing to stop the government, at that point, from deciding that something "else" is wrong and dangerous and needs to be stopped by any means necessary. The slippery slope of that argument is that it could be "you", lil 'ole you not doing nutin wrong. All of a sudden finding a missile with your name on it at the direction and discretion of who?

That this particular individual is "ok to kill" is not a problem with me. He's done some bad things and arguably will do more. It is the "Tom, Dick and Harry", the John Q. Public/Protester that I think could be the next target and that is what makes me really question this power.

Originally Posted by Jester(TA)

If you didnt do anything,You wont be put on a list. If you fuck up like this guy did,Well,thats another story.

And another thing - the "didn't do anything wrong" argument is not valid from a logical standpoint (nor from a Constitutional one either). Mainly because it is government who controls the definition of what is right and wrong.

If you allow, for the sake of "not doing anything wrong" the government, police etc. to search your house, your property, your accounts, your communications, do you honestly believe that you can safely say that "You've done nothing wrong"? Are you honestly able to make the statement that the "fine-toothed comb" and magnifying glass of the government (with access to everything or as near as) then you are naive and or delusional. Every single one of us does something that is against some statute or regulation somewhere. In many cases, inadvertently, not that it would matter given the age old cliche that "Ignorance is no protection under the law."

If they, tomorrow, up and decided that you mowing and watering your lawn on the same day is illegal and punishable by jail sentence

Originally Posted by Alundil

And another thing - the "didn't do anything wrong" argument is not valid from a logical standpoint (nor from a Constitutional one either). Mainly because it is government who controls the definition of what is right and wrong.

If you allow, for the sake of "not doing anything wrong" the government, police etc. to search your house, your property, your accounts, your communications, do you honestly believe that you can safely say that "You've done nothing wrong"? Are you honestly able to make the statement that the "fine-toothed comb" and magnifying glass of the government (with access to everything or as near as) then you are naive and or delusional. Every single one of us does something that is against some statute or regulation somewhere. In many cases, inadvertently, not that it would matter given the age old cliche that "Ignorance is no protection under the law."

If they, tomorrow, up and decided that you mowing and watering your lawn on the same day is illegal and punishable by jail sentence

+1

Why not just try him as a traitor? Hell I think you could even put out public notice that he needs to be at the hearing and if he is not then it is open and shut. Traitors to the US can have death as a punishment though the 'kill list' gives me the willies.

hehe Blake - thanks for the "+1". Even though I just realized that I hit post before finishing the parting thought there. Ah well. Win some lose some.