Thread: C++ or Java

At both of the Universities I'm looking at, the computer science/software engineering degree paths split off to go C++ or Java. I'm know smatterings of both, but that's from a computational physics standpoint. I'm not sure which path to pursue. The courses are supposed to cover the same theory, but use different languages.

Java all the way.

If you want easy, go Java. If you want to know serious programming go C++. If you know C++ you can pick up java in no time. The same cannot be said in the opposite direction.

My opinion is that the entire java language is wonky. You learn how to do something and then you have to learn workarounds to get what you just learned to work RIGHT.

LET THE JAVA FANS FIRE UP THEIR PITCHFORKS AND POKE ME WITH THEIR TORCHES!!! (because that's how it would work in javaland.)

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

If you want easy, go Java. If you want to know serious programming go C++. If you know C++ you can pick up java in no time. The same cannot be said in the opposite direction.

My opinion is that the entire java language is wonky. You learn how to do something and then you have to learn workarounds to get what you just learned to work RIGHT.

LET THE JAVA FANS FIRE UP THEIR PITCHFORKS AND POKE ME WITH THEIR TORCHES!!! (because that's how it would work in javaland.)

100% agreed... if you learn C++ you can learn almost any other language with ease after that. Not true with the converse (unless you learn C )

Pointers

C++ all the way dude...

I was a java guy, but then I experienced C++.....

C++ has the power!

Thanks you guys

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C++ is more on the science application end for a degree. You can apply way more in this field of study. Optimization, algorithms, and true meaty applications can be done well with C++ -- it is a must learn for serious endeavors (also learn Assembly).

Java in and of itself has always been a more multi-platform user oriented language. If you simply want to gain more experience for developing end-user applications, (front-end stuff) Java isn't a bad way to go. The lexical grammar and conventions will extend itself naturally with C#/VC/Web-based applications and .NET in general. But you will never get anything serious out of it without understanding how to manage referencing/dereferencing, and the dependency hell that comes along with C++.


My recommendation is to actually delve into both. If you are not a strong logician you may want to start with Java.

Edit PS: C++ taught me more about modular programming and how to handle abstraction better than any other language. That with the naturally unsafe (unmanaged) environment it forces on you, you will easily learn how to handle the wonky shit in other languages. And come to appreciate the CLR that .NET and other implementations of this provide.

stop dont listen to them


c++



no questions asked.




its compatible to move to other languages (everything is written in it or c to boot)


ie. java is c++ without overloading, optional operators, pointers (no what you waffles have is not pointers dont argue).


But the reverse cannot be said. ESEPCIALLY if its your intro language. Youll learn programming without having to worry about garbage collection and that right there is exactly whats wrong with the computer industry right now (flood of pogrammers who've never had to worry about garbage collection) and exactly why c++ natives are ALWAYS picked over java'ers for any job (not to mention that going from c++ or even c to java is cake).












imo java has one claim to fame, its virtual machine. STOP USING IT for everything else

Currently using Notepad++ (I like it since it's quite simple, which is to say it doesn't take a lot to learn how to use it). Any recommendations for an IDE?