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12-24-07, 12:23 PM #41
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
Originally Posted by ...bigdog...
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12-24-07, 12:23 PM #42
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
Originally Posted by Muqtar SGT_Clintok
Does the brand of memory really matter? I see them (DDR2) all around 800mhz, and dont know what else to measure other than price tag.
Looks like home premium is the OS I will want.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116204
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12-24-07, 12:32 PM #43
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
Originally Posted by Muqtar SGT_Clintok
if you want to pick parts based on "becuase I can" stuff.....then we can spend $5000 on your box if you wish.
but I don't support such design ideals. My job is to help you make what you need without wasting your money. If you want to shove in 4 gigs of RAM, 4 750gig HD's in RAID-5, 4 DVD-burners, 7.1 surround, a 25" screen, quad-SLI, and a seriously complex cooling solution so we can clock your intel whatever to 4.0+Ghz........sure....we do all that.
But what's the point in having 350fps when your monitor only does 85? are when the server itself only does 100-200? Or when your internet connection pings the server every 20 ms (50 times a second)?
there's all sorts of show off stuff we can put in your box. $300 power supplies. $500 cases. $100 heatsink fans. Glow in the dark cabling. Sound proof panels and hard drive enclosures/coolers.
that's why it's important to know......what are you building here? The most 3dmarks for the least $$$$, a set $$$, or the most $$$$ ?
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12-24-07, 12:44 PM #44
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
The hardware below is what I am looking at. Notice the disparity between the FSB and the memory standard. 1333mhz looks like the common denominator, except for the 'memory standard' spec.
ASUS <FSB 1333/1066MHz>
Memory Standard DDR2 800
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131153
Processor
Intel Core 2 Duo E6850
1333MHz FSB
http://techreport.pricegrabber.com/s...terid=43369635
This is precisely what I brought this to the forums. Very confusing.
I understand that I can throw money down the tube for a machine that looks great on benchmarks, but gives you performance that cannot be carried out by the other equipment or measured by the human eye.
The most 3dmarks for the least $$$$ is definitely the course I want to follow. I am not looking to show off with equipment names, and nobody but me is ever going to look at the box. Fancy and sporty is not what I am after.
Clint
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12-24-07, 12:46 PM #45
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
RAID and RAM article posted recently on Tom's
RAID = no 3d benefit, or encoding benefit, but shows synthetic gains in HDD benchmarks (read/write speeds.... no surprise). http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...ame_benchmarks
RAM comparisons (mostly single and dual channel comparisons in synthetic benchmarks) advantages from single to dual channel are pretty much nonexistant, except for overall bandwidth. no 3d performance effect. (duh)
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...ng/page11.html
This second part of our article series on parallel processing dealt with single and dual channel memory, as well with the possible performance gains of upgrading a single hard drive to a RAID array with two or four hard drives. In "Parallel Processing, Part 1: CPU Cores" we analyzed where and how dual and quad core processors can increase performance, and we concluded that it makes the most sense to stick with a dual core processor for now, and only purchase a quad core if your applications can actually benefit from it. In the end, the 45 nm generation code-named Penryn is due at the beginning of next year, and it will deliver somewhat more performance at decreased power requirements.
But back to RAM and hard drives. As expected, the performance difference between single channel and dual channel DDR2-800 memory using an up-to-date Core 2 Duo system is little to nil, depending on the benchmark - most tests show differences, but they are really small. For games and enthusiast PCs, we recommend sticking to high-performance dual channel RAM, because the memory is one of those components that you want to perform best for a smooth experience. For regular applications, though, it doesn't really matter much whether you run single or dual channel. Two 1 GB DIMMs typically are cheaper than a single 2 GB module, but a single DIMM will reduce your power consumption by several watts (which might just be more interesting than it is important).
It's similar in the hard drive corner: a RAID array has to live with a marginal performance impact due to the added controller, which results in slightly decreased performance in several benchmarks. Benchmarks that actually benefit from increased storage throughput will show the best result when going from a single drive to a RAID 0 with two drives. Running four drives still increases the storage-intensive benchmarks, but the extra gains are comparatively small.
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12-24-07, 12:51 PM #46
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
so, if I was you, I'd drop the dollars to get the 1033 or 1333 RAM, so your clock cycles will run in sync with your CPU's FSB (it matters, and makes significant performance and stability improvements to run in sync).
a good artcile explaining memory, and basic/complex prinicples about RAM (even DDR3).
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...us_performance
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12-24-07, 12:52 PM #47
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
Originally Posted by Muqtar SGT_Clintok
FSB = "CPU Frequency" and Total Mhz = FSB x CPU Multiplier. Meanwhile total memory speed in Mhz = RAM frequency x RAM multiplier. That motherboard is one I picked out, it has DDR2-800 memory. So its memory bus speed is actually 400 x 2 or 800Mhz. You can spend more dough and get a similar motherboard with a faster memory bus. I selected that one to save money.
But sure enough, you can look for one that has a 1333 FSB and a 1066 memory bus too. It just costs more.
So FSB speed =/= to memory speed. Was that the confusion?
Seriously, if you are wanting to spend 2k drop more on the mobo to get a faster memory bus.
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12-24-07, 12:58 PM #49
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
DDR2 can run at 1333. But your right your in DDr3 territory
Dont think that is the memory speed though, probably just the CPU bus - probably looking at the normal DDR2 6400 at 800 until you make the jump to the DDR3 motherboards
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12-24-07, 01:01 PM #50
Re: Preparing to build a PC - need YOUR help.
Originally Posted by ...bigdog...
DDR2 400 (PC2 3200)
DDR2 533 (PC2 4200)
DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)
DDR2 667 (PC2 5400)
DDR2 675 (PC2 5400)
DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
DDR2 1111 (PC2 8888)
DDR2 1142 (PC2 9136)
DDR2 1150 (PC2 9200)
DDR2 1173 (PC2 9384)
DDR2 1200 (PC2 9600)
DDR2 1250 (PC2 10000)
DDR2 1300 (PC2 10400)
No 1333....
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