Thread: Great Price for 23" LCD Monitor

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...4&sku=A2479675

You can use coupon code VBGH?K188CBWMC if the price does not reflect in the cart. $179.99 is a great deal for this monitor. I would pick it up in an instant if I didn't already have my 22" Dell.

Native resolution is 1920x1080, so it would be best used by those with SLI/Crossfire setups for gaming. Otherwise, it would make one sweet work monitor, which could be doubled as an HDTV monitor since it has high enough resolution to support 1080p. Here are the details at Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824001314

Good reviews, and still $30 cheaper at Dell.

Damn, that's a pretty sweet deal. I picked up a 22" 1680x1050 Acer monitor for my new system, and it set me back $160. Paying $20 for a much higher resolution is pretty badass.

Yea I have been seeing a recent sales surge for the 1920x1080.

Makes me wonder.

1920x1200 Works better for me.

I just ordered the Dell 2209WA for $206 before tax. It is the first (practical) 22" IPS panel and is getting rave reviews everywhere. I am so sick of TN panels and will never buy another one again (99% of all 22" and 24" displays right now are TN's, which suffer from poor colors and even worse vertical viewing angles). Dell is actually using a new IPS tech called e-IPS which makes it actually get good response times (something IPS previously suffered from) so people like me finally have one panel that can handle both gaming AND color-critical photo editing.

Seriously, the color variation on TN panels is so bad that if you display one constant color across your whole screen, you will see if vary from top to bottom (will appear darker at top as you view from lower angle) which just drives me insane.

I would have bought 2 of these 2209WA's but I am holding out in the hopes that they make a 2409WA soon, if they do I'll buy 2 and never have to buy another display again. For now I'm relegating my crappy Samsung TN to secondary display duty. There is one decent 24" IPS out there made by HP, but it's over $500 and the response time while good enough for gaming isn't stellar. I can't justify $1100 for two of those so I'm waiting for Dell 2409WA, my guess is they announce it within a few months.

Originally Posted by Veovis

I just ordered the Dell 2209WA for $206 before tax. It is the first (practical) 22" IPS panel and is getting rave reviews everywhere. I am so sick of TN panels and will never buy another one again (99% of all 22" and 24" displays right now are TN's, which suffer from poor colors and even worse vertical viewing angles). Dell is actually using a new IPS tech called e-IPS which makes it actually get good response times (something IPS previously suffered from) so people like me finally have one panel that can handle both gaming AND color-critical photo editing.

Seriously, the color variation on TN panels is so bad that if you display one constant color across your whole screen, you will see if vary from top to bottom (will appear darker at top as you view from lower angle) which just drives me insane.

I would have bought 2 of these 2209WA's but I am holding out in the hopes that they make a 2409WA soon, if they do I'll buy 2 and never have to buy another display again. For now I'm relegating my crappy Samsung TN to secondary display duty. There is one decent 24" IPS out there made by HP, but it's over $500 and the response time while good enough for gaming isn't stellar. I can't justify $1100 for two of those so I'm waiting for Dell 2409WA, my guess is they announce it within a few months.

Must be hearsay my 24'' works badass and as a matter of fact it displays colors better than the 22'' samsung for my wives computer.

When you look at 1920x1080 vs 1920x1200 side by side with the same image you will lean towards the sharper aspect ratio.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Must be hearsay my 24'' works badass and as a matter of fact it displays colors better than the 22'' samsung for my wives computer.

No, it's not "hearsay," it's fact and common knowledge (well, not really common, but common in the photography and video production worlds). It is physically impossible for a TN panel to display the same gamut as an IPS or VA.

http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides...anel-types.php

Ask any graphic editing professional why they don't use a TN panel.

Also, know that there are very simple objective methods (hardware) for measuring color accuracy. And the most simple method is to use your own eyes. While some TN panels CAN be calibrated to be "somewhat" color accurate, you can never escape their poor vertical viewing angles (therefore their accuracy will only apply at one part of the screen at a time, based on where your head is relative to the top and bottom of the screen). Try this: open up paint on your TN panel and color the whole screen blue. Position your head so that the normal line from your eyeballs to panel surface is in the vertical center. Move your eyes up and down. You will see a much darker shade of blue at the top than at the bottom. Once you become aware of this you realize you are always looking at gradients rather than solid colors. Not to mention the gamut is still narrow. OR: put a movie on your display and then lie down on the ground and try to watch it... the whole screen should appear practically black. Try this on your LCD TV in the living room and you'll probably notice this isn't the case.

Consumers have gobbled up TN panels over the past few years because they are cheap (and for gamers they're great with low response times). But the demand for a better solution has not gone away, and Dell has responded to it with their new e-IPS display and other mfrs are following suit very shortly. There is a slight sacrifice on response time but it is still sufficient for gaming.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

When you look at 1920x1080 vs 1920x1200 side by side with the same image you will lean towards the sharper aspect ratio.

This has nothing to do with what I was talking about (panel construction), but I'm curious... what is a "sharp" aspect ratio?

Personally I'd like a 1920x1200 24" IPS panel... don't want to pay for the HP or pricier options so I'm waiting on Dell to announce theirs (fingers crossed). For now I'll settle for the 1680x1050 22" e-IPS.

EDIT:

Here's a link to a review of the Dell 2209WA.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/15/d...of-22-inchers/

Available for $200 plus tax if you catch a slick deal. Hard to believe since I paid $280 for my crappy Samsung 22" TN just over a year ago.

My monitor

Acer AL2416Wd 24-inch LCD monitor

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Date Published: 7/15/08

The 24-inch Acer AL2416Wd LCD monitor is a bit skimpy on extras, but its budget-friendly price (relatively speaking) more than makes up for its shortcomings.

The AL2416Wd is easy to set up, as the package includes all necessary cables. The display is reasonably light for its size (about 20 pounds), and it has a sturdy, rectangular base. Built-in adjustment options are limited to tilting the display forward or backward. There are no height adjustment, swivel, or pivot options. The AL2416Wd is VESA-compatible, so you can add a wall mount if adjustability or desktop space are a problem, although this may offset the display's budget price.

Display settings are limited, but adequate. You can adjust brightness (we found the default setting to be overly bright), contrast, and RGB. The AL2416Wd also offers three color modes, with cool (the default), warm, and user-defined.

The AL2416Wd supports analog and digital inputs, but it doesn't include any USB ports, so it won't serve as a USB hub. If you have visions of using the AL2416Wd as an additional TV, you will be disappointed. It doesn't support HDTV or picture-in-picture, nor does it offer component or composite video inputs.

A picture frame-style border surrounds the 24-inch wide-format viewing area. The AL2416Wd has a native resolution of 1,900X1,200. Image quality is good to above-average, with sharp text even at smaller font sizes, good tonal range in grayscale and color images, and bright, clear color. Image quality and color fidelity won't satisfy graphics professionals, but they are in line with the display's price, if not slightly better than you might expect.

Horizontal and vertical viewing angles of 178 degrees help reduce blurring and color shift when viewing the display off-axis. The 6-millisecond response time helps reduce ghosting when watching video or playing fast-action games.

The Acer AL2416Wd doesn't include any speakers, but considering the quality of most built-in speakers, that is not much of a loss. It also lacks a headphone jack. The package includes an analog cable, DVI cable, power cable, and CD with drivers and user guide.

Pros: Affordable price, above-average image quality, stylish design
Cons: No height adjustment, swivel, or pivot options; no USB ports

This monitor is used strictly for gaming.

Here is another site doing a review on the one I own.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mon...h-2.html#sect1

Against my apprehensions, the viewing angles proved to be quite acceptable. Of course, the image gets darker when viewed from below as is typical of TN technology. You won’t be able to watch a movie on this monitor while lying on a sofa, for example. People who are sensitive to distortions of brightness at the border of the screen shouldn’t buy it, either. And still, the viewing angles are going to satisfy most users. You may want to buy a high chair for such a monitor not only because it’s better for the eyes to look at the screen slightly from above but also because the top viewing angle of TN matrixes is wider than the bottom one. Ideally, the user’s eyes should be level with the top edge of the screen.

You might have run into some models with bad TN as you put it but its not across the board. There are plenty of 24' models that are excellent for gaming without having to sacrifice viewing angles.

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Against my apprehensions, the viewing angles proved to be quite acceptable. Of course, the image gets darker when viewed from below as is typical of TN technology. You won’t be able to watch a movie on this monitor while lying on a sofa, for example.

You may want to buy a high chair for such a monitor not only because it’s better for the eyes to look at the screen slightly from above but also because the top viewing angle of TN matrixes is wider than the bottom one. Ideally, the user’s eyes should be level with the top edge of the screen.

You might have run into some models with bad TN as you put it but its not across the board. There are plenty of 24' models that are excellent for gaming without having to sacrifice viewing angles.

Pulled right out of your own post (see bolded and red). All TN panels are exactly the same in this regard. The spec can say 178 degrees vertical viewing angle all day long, but it doesn't change reality. (My Coolermaster R4 120mm fan also says it pushes 90CFM at 19dB and I laugh just as loud as that "spec"). TN panels have poor vertical viewing angles, period. Buying a TN panel is sacrificing viewing angles, plain and simple. That doesn't mean you can't view it from below, it just means what you are seeing will be very different from what you'd be seeing from a higher angle. If you are ok with that sacrifice, more power to you. I'm not.