Thread: No more corner-camping.

Fact: The team that Bryant beat ran around on the DC finale because they thought they would still win running around. Not because they felt it was the right thing to do.

That is fact.

My opinion is that in the opposite situation, they call Bryant's team dumb, camp, and maybe win.


Sour grapes. It's not bitch. There are a lot of bitch things in L4D. A lot of bitch players. But NOT intentionally putting yourself in more danger is not one of them.

Fuck what some team who lost and has sour grapes think. I'm camping like the map was supposed to be camped and I'm getting the W. Fuck the rest.

And honestly.... man... voodu. This isn't jumping over teh airplane, this isn't running back to the safe room hallway on No Mercy, this isn't camping the Swamp Fever crescendo back at the guns room.

You got nowhere to go. Pick a good spot and defend it better than the other team.

If it wasn't how the game was meant to be played they wouldn't have put you in an enclosed area for 5 minutes with nowhere to go.


I guess camping in Swamp Fever for 10 minutes is bitch now too? How dare you not run around and give me more opportunities to hit you!

How dare you put the game on the tanks shoulders!

The team Bryant played --- YOU PUSSIES, IF WE WOULD HAVE CAMPED WE WOULD HAVE WON YOU NOOOBS!!!1111

Me- Your own arrogance led you to lose. That's dumb. I winz. Hope you liked the taste of my balls teabaggin your tank.

Originally Posted by PrimeTime21335

Fact: The team that Bryant beat ran around on the DC finale because they thought they would still win running around. Not because they felt it was the right thing to do.

That is fact.

My opinion is that in the opposite situation, they call Bryant's team dumb, camp, and maybe win.


Sour grapes. It's not bitch. There are a lot of bitch things in L4D. A lot of bitch players. But NOT intentionally putting yourself in more danger is not one of them.

Fuck what some team who lost and has sour grapes think. I'm camping like the map was supposed to be camped and I'm getting the W. Fuck the rest.

And honestly.... man... voodu. This isn't jumping over teh airplane, this isn't running back to the safe room hallway on No Mercy, this isn't camping the Swamp Fever crescendo back at the guns room.

You got nowhere to go. Pick a good spot and defend it better than the other team.

If it wasn't how the game was meant to be played they wouldn't have put you in an enclosed area for 5 minutes with nowhere to go.


I guess camping in Swamp Fever for 10 minutes is bitch now too? How dare you not run around and give me more opportunities to hit you!

How dare you put the game on the tanks shoulders!

I think your missing the actual point.. Im not against camping, never ever said i was in anyway.. Its part of the game.

Im against camping in spots where the game is BROKEN. It is a bitch move, not a smart move. Im not being a sour grape about it, im just pointing out the facts.

And the fact is Valve has already fixed it on PC and it will be fixed on XBOX when cold stream comes out. So I guess the sour grapes, or people who just want the game fixed have finally won.

And really, theres tons of places to camp on the Dark Carnival Finale... But we all know its supposed to be played on stage mostly..

Also Valve has been trying to work out alot of the bitch spots on the L4D1 maps being ported to L4D2.

Lord knows im not gonna be a sour grape about Valve taking away all and any main stream bitch spots. Because I for one don't want any bitch areas, ever.

Like i said, any spot is good if you camp it right. Im sick of seeing people being attracted to same bitch spots like a moth to a flame when theres so many other places to camp.

Anyways, heres some pics of the changes. Also remember that the finale spawn radius will be shorten when the cold stream updates finally arrives on XBOX.


Quick tease of just a few changes. on Twitpic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...oncert0005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...oncert0006.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...oncert0007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...oncert0013.jpg


Tents everywhere, windows over the bitch spots, 2 forklifts and a shorter spawn radius means only one thing... Anyone who actually enjoys the bitch spots better enjoy them while they last. Those days are almost over...

Originally Posted by BryantG

I remember playing a Team Versus game not too long ago on Dark Carnival and the Survivors had the lead and on the finale, instead of corner camping on the grandstands, they were constantly on the move while the concert progressed. Needless to say, they got killed and didn't make it past the second Tank.

When it was our turn to be Survivors, we corner camped and made it to the chopper, thus winning. I get a message saying "Corner camping pussies". At first, I was like, "Not my fault you scrubs couldn't stay still".

It turned into a huge hate mail war, and he eventually said, "Any team with the lead who corner camps will win, we tried giving you bad kids a chance and instead you camped like bitches. No one corner camps anymore, pub." Something like that and after that, I've come across plenty of teams that no longer take kits/corner camp.

I played a CG team who destroyed my team and they didn't corner camp, they stayed in tight groups, running all over the map, tossing pipe bombs and burning hordes and made it to the rescue vehicle. I think I might start doing this with my team, I mean it's true, corner camping is easy mode. If both teams don't corner camp the finale, one mistake could cost them the game.

Idk, do you guys think this "no corner camping" business is stupid? It certainly makes TV a little harder.

It was an effective strategy; nothing more. If it works, it works. Any grief the other team gives you is due to their losing. This is almost as stupid as the 'targeting' business in Warcraft 3. Bottom line is that some players get angry over it, so they articulate some flimsy argument about how its in bad taste to assume an advantage if it can be taken. Next thing I'll be told its a 'pussy' thing to do if I spit on an incapped survivor while he's being rescued.

I expect in versus the infected were put at a considerable disadvantage, but like I said, that is their problem, not yours. However Valve obviously felt this needed to be remedied, as the corner is now a deathtrap. The advantage is no longer there.

Its a game, and I can understand the frustration at being at a disadvantage, but lets not kid ourselves about what all the complaints boil down to. Anyways it has been fixed, so thats that; end of story. If something needs to be fixed, Valve will do so in time. Until then players can deal with it.

EDIT: Except when it comes to glitching/cheating.

I have converted. I didn't play for a few months, came back, warmed up, and decided I agree, no more corner camping.

I personally think, with the characteristics of a finale(on Xbox), like the long spawn distance, that running around the bleachers is better than sitting in the corner.

Granted it takes much more skill to move together, clear Commons well, keep the right distance between your teammates, etc. I think if you can do it well, it can have greater benefits.

I guess it's a give or take depending on how you want it to work. While you are constatly moving the Infected team has a harder time trying to find good spawns and it is harder to predict the Survivors movement(depending on the players of course). On the other hand, it is easier for the Infected to surprise the Survivors with an attack from different areas each time and if they are not clearing, covering, etc. you will have an easier time getting an attack off.

If you chose to stay in the corner, you obviously aren't moving much, if at all, so it is easier to just hold up for most people. People can take weapons that are more for stationary shooting, like the G3. They can watch the few spawns for this spot in particular quite easily.
On the Infected side, the Survivors aren't moving, giving them the ability to organize their attack better, whether or not they land it. The Survivors usually feel pretty comfortable camping as well. This could lead to the Survivors letting their guard down enough to surprise and demorilize.

For the most part when I play this finale it's, "well we don't want to camp, but if we don't, then they will". It's pretty annoying to hear that and it bores me. I don't mind Survivors camping the finale, it was intended to be done on a most, but everyone going to the same spot is a snooze fest. For the most part it's, get the spawns you want and wait for the Tank as Infected.

On the Infected side, the Survivors aren't moving, giving them the ability to organize their attack better, whether or not they land it.

Actually I find it to be the opposite - the Survivors corner-camp in an area where it's more difficult because the bleachers are more open, therefore the number of spawn spots is reduced.

Originally Posted by IcyIggy04

Actually I find it to be the opposite - the Survivors corner-camp in an area where it's more difficult because the bleachers are more open, therefore the number of spawn spots is reduced.

Right, I agree for the most part when it comes to this specific spot. I was mainly talking about general camping vs. moving. This particular spot is different than most.