Thread: REAL DEAL

Vs is fair because both teams play both sides. If they didn't I would certainly give the SV the advantage.=

Originally Posted by FragRaptor

Originally Posted by Wraith

Meh, I don't know about the other, but I am sick to death of VS, with the exception of on The Passing, currently. Jesus Christ, when will Realism Versus come out? I want to play a fair game.

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Vs. is fair... Sometimes the survivors die. Sometimes they don't. It all depends on how good the team is at being a team.

I thoroughly disagree, but it has been argued before, tirelessly to the point of pointlessness.

Originally Posted by FragRaptor

Originally Posted by CivilWars

And I probably will suck, but not because I play vs, because I have played 3 times, and don't know the maps. I would put money on Kanati, Walker, Boomus, Andy, Thorsen, or any of my other clan mates that are primarily vs that they could kick ass in co-op if/when they chose to do so.

I played with Thorsen and walker while getting my expert badge and if I'm right they helped to complete it.

I don't think I've played with kanati, boom, or andy in anything other then vs. But walker and thorsen kick ass in camp. Wasn't it HR where we basically just ran through? Or was that dark carnival? I don't remember.

Adre and I basically ran through Parish on Expert with two bots. We were doing fine til two other people joined and started getting us killed. Honestly, I think two players and two bots is the way to do regular Expert... just rush the fuck out of the map. The two players stay together and cover any chance you miss a deadstop, and the bots are wonderful at getting all the CIs chasing them (I can't remember who first mentioned it, but they were totally correct when they said that CIs tend to almost ignore the person that activated them and instead attack the next person to come by.) If the bots die, hell, just get them from a closet.

Additionally, bots can pick up people regardless of whether or not they're being attacked. That's a very handy perk to have.

Originally Posted by Thorsen

Vs is fair because both teams play both sides. If they didn't I would certainly give the SV the advantage.=

Let's run with that logic a little bit.

Let's give the Charger the speed equal to four times that of maximum Survivor movement speed (in other words, four times faster than a Survivor on adrenaline), let's have him do 300 damage per hit (that means a single hit incaps and one additional hit kills), and he'll have 15000 HP (double the HP of a Tank on Expert.) But hey, it's fair because both sides get to use him!

Fair? Well, yeah. But balanced? Fuck no.

Originally Posted by FragRaptor

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Vs. is fair... Sometimes the survivors die. Sometimes they don't. It all depends on how good the team is at being a team.

And the better both teams are at playing the game, the more likely it is the Survivors will all make it to the safe room, leaving the game to often be decided by the 25 point bonus to whoever did more damage as Infected.

It's fair. To my knowledge, I don't think I ever called it unfair - I've always said it's not balanced, and "fair" and "balanced" are two different things. They're related, but it can be fair while being unbalanced - see my example above for something that's absolutely fair and also absolutely unbalanced.

At the level we tend to play at TTP, VS works pretty good. I think it'd be more fun (and a fuckload less frustrating) if things like defibrillators were removed (or simply changed so that once someone is dead, they no longer count for points even if they're revived) and items in general were reduced in density, but it works alright.

At the competitive level, though, vanilla VS is completely, utterly broken in favor of the Survivors... and even with all of the changes comp mods add, at the highest levels of play, it's still a little in the Survivors' favor.

Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK!

Let's run with that logic a little bit.

Let's give the Charger the speed equal to four times that of maximum Survivor movement speed (in other words, four times faster than a Survivor on adrenaline), let's have him do 300 damage per hit (that means a single hit incaps and one additional hit kills), and he'll have 15000 HP (double the HP of a Tank on Expert.) But hey, it's fair because both sides get to use him!

Fair? Well, yeah. But balanced? Fuck no.

Okay. So we agree. Good.