admin enforcement to far...

**~~Mr_Rager~~** · 05-07-12, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by iravedic

We are looking into the issue, however, even based on what you have posted I am inclined to think that there was more screwing around on your parts then trying to win rounds. The fact that you were getting kills means nothing - what was the score in the game?

CT side was winning. MoneyB and I worked together the entire map. We were almost always in sewers going to b plank or sewers to lower A. We would hold lower a from sewers so that when a T was visible we were both shooting at him. We would also aggressively peak into A site as we held lower and upper was the issue at A. At B, it was mostly us HAVING to go there as Sos was the only player to go B side. We quickly flanked through plank room and into site or out of plank and to sands to box room to site. We were going for kills and not "dicking" around. It's more satisfying to get usp hs and be atop the leader board than playing leap frog, etc. Plus it's known TPG has a fast ban hammer, we enjoy the server and didn't want to jeopardize it. We do however, want to have fun and silenced usp was fun for us. Lastly we made an exception to the rule "splinter cell" and we ran instead of the usual walk only as we wanted to be in better positions to get kills. Like I said, we were trying to win and get kills - our only objective or agenda.

**Madmax (Grape)** · 05-07-12, 11:06 PM

I was there when this was going on and agreed to a ban being issued.

You two were buying night vision and using silenced USPs to watch the mid water drop spot (from in sewers) on Contra round after round, to the detriment of your team. This is evidenced by the CTs being up 5+ rounds and then losing multiple in a row while you two continued to mess around.

The issue is not that you cannot use a USP and buying nightvision. That is silly. The issue is that you guys were doing so solely for 'the lulz' and because you also changed your names to "Splinter Cell #2" and "Splinter Cell #1" and were just messing around.

I believe the admin worded his warning the way he did because at the same time, another player on the CT side was only trying to knife, which is obviously not helping his team. So the admin sent one warning covering both situations. You two continued and so a 1 hour ban was issued.

A teamplayer would not purposefully use inferior weapons and nightvision while his team is losing rounds.

Edit: As clarifiication, I was T side, but the above is from what I was messaged about and what I personally observed.

**~~Mr_Rager~~** · 05-07-12, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I wasn't there, but I have one question. Do YOU, as a pretty talented player, feel running around "splinter cell" was the most effective way YOU could help your team, or were you just fucking around to have a good time?

You are 100% correct that MoneyB and I would've helped our team more if we were using colts. However, this isn't ESEA, this is our break form serious (something we've been talking about starting up again) and this was a fun option for us. The players here are more competitive and for the most part more skilled than your average pub. So pulling off a gimmick here is more enjoyable than a noobgalore server.

Also, a boost into "gay spot" in inferno is frankly for fun. A player would be more use to their team helping to make sure the opponents didn't make the site, not camping in inferno rafters getting easy kills or say, morbing and going for ninja defuses.

We all have something that makes this game fun, and playing on a unbalanced level (usp's vs full guns) was enjoyable for us. I don't think we expected it to work out as well as it did for us and we're both to competitive minded to continue if we were failing and hurting our team.

**~~Mr_Rager~~** · 05-07-12, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Madmax (Grape)

I was there when this was going on and agreed to a ban being issued.

You two were buying night vision and using silenced USPs to watch the mid water drop spot (from in sewers) on Contra round after round, to the detriment of your team. This is evidenced by the CTs being up 5+ rounds and then losing multiple in a row while you two continued to mess around.

The issue is not that you cannot use a USP and buying nightvision. That is silly. The issue is that you guys were doing so solely for 'the lulz' and because you also changed your names to "Splinter Cell #2" and "Splinter Cell #1" and were just messing around.

I believe the admin worded his warning the way he did because at the same time, another player on the CT side was only trying to knife, which is obviously not helping his team. So the admin sent one warning covering both situations. You two continued and so a 1 hour ban was issued.

A teamplayer would not purposefully use inferior weapons and nightvision while his team is losing rounds.

we camped the bottom of the well when they rushed middle and only those rounds. We jumped into well every single wound and went to plank or lower A. If we were being shot at from middle (aka the t's were running up mid) we camped the bottom long enough to see if they went sands or were going down. We did get a kill or two from that and we did every single time rotate to lower A and contested the site take. We didn't "camp" there the majority of the round, we stayed only on rounds that they had the possibility to drop or we went lower A and towards the end we went plank to b.

You were on terrorist side, so I realize you weren't aware that Sos was our only player to play B for several rounds. During those occasions, MoneyB and I dropped well, started to lower A like we were doing nearly every round, but turned and went to B to help Sos. We mostly flanked plank and into site.

If you have any doubts, please feel free to ask Sos how many rounds he played B alone.

edit: you are correct we did change our names. I didn't realize that was against server rules either.

**Madmax (Grape)** · 05-07-12, 11:22 PM

Interesting that you mention Sos, because he didn't like the way you guys were playing either.

So why didn't you help him hold B? With a rifle, flashes, etc. You obviously noticed that your team was deficient in that site yet continued to mess around.

You even admitted it yourself, you weren't playing to best help your team. You were playing in a way that you two personally thought was amusing, while a lot of others did not.

And changing names is not against the rules. It was part of the goofing around. The scenario: Lets change our names, use only nightvision and silenced USPs and act like we're in Splinter Cell.
That's what people got out of your actions.

**~~Mr_Rager~~** · 05-07-12, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Madmax (Grape)

Interesting that you mention Sos, because he didn't like the way you guys were playing either.

So why didn't you help him hold B? With a rifle, flashes, etc. You obviously noticed that your team was deficient in that site yet continued to mess around.

You even admitted it yourself, you weren't playing to best help your team. You were playing in a way that you two personally thought was amusing, while a lot of others did not.

And changing names is not against the rules. It was part of the goofing around. The scenario: Lets change our names, use only nightvision and silenced USPs and act like we're in Splinter Cell.
That's what people got out of your actions.

If Sos liked or disliked our play doesn't matter. I only mentioned him to state truth to my posts that you were disputing. I was trying to prove that he was playing solo and we were losing B site. It was posted in mm2 btw. You can't always control what others will do, a mm2 message of need more than 1 b, and we proceeded to A assuming others would go B and perhaps they stated A assuming we would go B. That isn't entirely our fault as you or Sos would like to make it out to be.

Also there was nothing wrong with our play. If we can succeed with getting kills with the guns of our choice attempting to help a site in need why does it matter how we went about it? We were goofing around because of nightvision (which is a money dump, $2200 for full nades, armor and kit is easily doable every round when the kills we were getting and the rounds we were winning) and silenced usp? Or is it that we were goofing around because we could've contributed in a better way with a colt?

Is morb goofing around when he goes for ninja defuses? Surely he can be a better asset with helping to defend the site and not hiding in a smoke trying to get a defuse. You won't bring that up will you?

How about mardigan just straight p90 rushing, every.single.round while on CT. Yeah there's that round where he gets 8 kills and wins it just like morb getting that ninja defuse. There's also those rounds he goes on 0-8 and why he normally around a 1:1 kd. He can obviously play a playstyle that he views as less fun and benefit the team more than his goofing off ways.

Yeah, I admitted I could've been more of a factor with a colt playing the same way I did with the silenced usp. However, if I only played at half the level I could have, with usp only, winning the majority of rounds played, being near the top of the scoreboard in a playstyle that was a rare occursance than how didn't I do my part? This is still a TEAM BASED GAME and I still did more with 50% effort for my side than you did with 100% effort on yours. Both Money and I believe that's the real reason we were banned. Never seen any of the other gimmicks go this way, have you? only rush mardigan? ninjadefuse morb? DEAGLEonlyFIREDX? I mean that guy only deags, we were only usp'ing. We have 2 hs gun that is more controllable and has a larger clip with less recoil and is FREE. Yet he never got the same pusnishment or your "kind" words did he? How are we suppose to take it when others get away with gimmicks but we're held to a higher standard? How are we suppose to take it when others play with their gimmick and we get banned? Just calling it how I and a few others who have messaged me some support on steam friends see it.

gg.

**Coheed** · 05-07-12, 11:59 PM

This seems like a pretty big issue to me. I have been playing on this server for 2 years now, I know thats a small amount compared to some but, for a gamer like myself who usually rotates servers like his underwear, every day thank you very much, I think this has been a big commitment for TPG. Mr. Rager is an aggressive EXPERIENCED player, see legitproof if you have any questions, and if he says he was following everything and helping and being productive, you shouldnt question that. I HAVE NEVER QUESTIONED AN ADMIN CALL BEFORE ON THIS SERVER UNTIL NOW. You saying he was messing around and having fun, well isnt that the point? Isnt the point of TPG to play wtih people who care about you and dont bait you, which he wasnt doing, than it should be fine. If you are going to claim that the admin banned him for being disruptive, than the admin that started the issue by trying to place a limit on something that is, according to an earlier post, never limited by admins, should be reprimanded . ON CT side the one where there are no calls, thats the side u go when ur new or want to try something. So what that he was having fun. *****What most likely happened was , the admin got pissed because he was losing to USP's and decided he didnt like that, so he told someone he had never seen before "SPlinter Cell and Splinter Cell 2" stop using a legitimate weapon, and when the regulars who knew the rules questioned the command and still used the gun YOUR assigned with on CT, then the admin banned them because he did not want to seem powerless. ***** This seems crazy to me. An apology and an unbanning is in order

**~~moneyb~~** · 05-08-12, 12:05 AM

I mean Rager has a point, we have both witnessed people messing around and not getting anything for it, but just because we do it now people have to get up and talk about it? We were successful with what we did and the admin was angry that we were winning rounds using only silenced usp. If you are going to ban us for this, then ban the people deagling only or only going for ninja defuses or P90 rushing every round on CT SIDE, it's only fair.

**iravedic** · 05-08-12, 12:12 AM

Alright, I have watched 2 demos of the game in question. I have also read everything posted here and in the CS:S Business forums, and the PM you sent me Mr. Rager. Based upon this review there was no admin abuse. The bans were justified.

Whether you agree with the instruction or not, you and MoneyB were warned not to continue playing in the style you chose to play - and you ignored that admin instruction. A punishable offense. This is the forum to discuss the merits not in game.

Now as to your chosen playstyle. As you admitted, you and MoneyB were playing a little side game or gimmick. During that time you went 11-11, MoneyB went 12-12 and your team won a total of 7 rounds. Based on my review of the demos for the most part your "USP only" did little to help the team win those 7 rounds. What this says to me, and to the admins in game frankly, is that you were more interested in your personal little side game then you were in actually helping the team win the game. This is not acceptable behavior in the server.

You brought up several other players trying to support your position, I think that they are without merit. In each and every instance that particular player honestly believes - right or wrong - that his chosen style gives him the best chance to help the team win each and every round. Here, by your own admission, this wasn't the best way for you 2 to help the team - rather it was something fun you wanted to try. There is only one standard - help your team to the best of your abilities. And we expect you to do that - not to screw around playing little side games. You are both skilled players who had a helluva lot more to offer to the team than silenced USP's and NV.

No Abuse - Case Closed.