CoD4 Softcore SnD/Sab/Dom server.

**DancingCorpse** · 02-02-09, 08:34 PM

First off, I am one of the admins that was on and witnessed all of this from the beginning. I had suspicions of ghosting (see response below to part 7) on the parties in question and had called in two other admins, who also called in an additional admin, to help address the issues, at which point after the current predicament conspired.

Originally Posted by Sinner

1. SnD, yes the defending team splits to defend two objectives. However I don't see why anyone has the right to say that we are going to be kicked if we go to the other half of the map. If you've ever played SnD comepetitively you know that flanking the other team while the bulk of your players are in one spot saves:

A. Lives
B. Time

Attacking where they aren't lookin is a good tactic, and if they see three + going for B, they aren't going to be watching the backways from A that will infact lose them the game.

You do not have to go directly into the MG, there are multiple ways to each target on each map, and if you clearly state to your team you are going around the other side of the map to flank the other team, and as long as you are still helping your team towards your common goal of the called out objective, it is perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by Sinner

2. "Go B or I kick everyone?" was, as I took a generally sarcastic remark about how you were running the game. Sorry, but I don't entirely agree that you yourself should decide the pathing the team as a whole takes. Its not teamwork, as is in your servers title.

Even if this is sarcasm, it is blatantly mocking the admins authority, which is not tolerated in any form on any of TTPs numerous servers.

Originally Posted by Sinner

3. At your team stacking claim, we auto-balanced, we were in team speak saying auto balance. The odd interval had us on the same team, and at no point did we switch to make it that way. Other people were switching because they were getting stomped. Also the console warnings @ the teams were WELL after the game had started, and teams were perfectly balanced an there was absolutely no claims. It wasn't until the final round when everyone left OpFor that it was a problem, and not a soul that left OpFor to be on the winning team was wearing our tags. If you had a problem with us being on the same team without doing it intentionally you should have said it before the 6th round.

Auto assign is known to sometimes, I repeat, sometimes but very rarely mess up when assigning teams. The screen shot of the uneven teams was at the VERY beginning of a round, however I think the other admins who loaded in before me can tackle this argument, for there were others team jumping, also, remember, we are always watching and watch everyone, we don't pick a target and nitpick on only them.

However, your clan was observed on several maps to join all just one team, obviously meaning you were not auto assigning.

Originally Posted by Sinner

5. You never gave any proof that he was "Impersonating an admin" he was being sarcastic with his !say thing. You never told him not to do it, and with 10+ people using ! commands you figure you'd have a console message about "Impersonating and admin" and exactly what it means. You kicked it for him before, and he wasn't even talking at the point. You screen shotted one of your multiple kicks for a bullshit reason, and of course its the only screen shot you took of him using a console command outside of !f. Well into the second game we played, and this was the last time you kicked him for that offense. Your previous kicks had no foundation and made no sense, since prior he never touched console commands or did anything that qualified as "Impersinating an admin"

Again, sarcastic or not, we do not tolerate mockery of the TTP admins, in any of the game servers we host. The ! commands are reserved for the admins only, except maybe a select few commands which escape my mind at the time. If you are using them, and talking like you have authority over the server, when you in fact do not, it is considered impersonating by definition. It would be the same if you put on a police uniform and try to impose authority on others, a court of law would frown upon it also.

Originally Posted by Sinner

6. Just about ALL of your screen shots are taken out of context and I could swear you don't have even a minute sense of humor. K!ng is sarcastic, if you would have actually talked to him instead of being uptight and looking at him intently trying to find rules he had broken, you might have actually gotten along.

We cannot get everything, we screenshot the immediate infractions to the rules, we cant screenshot everything, and we do know there were things said over the VOIP that you cannot screenshot, for obvious reasons. Remember, there are many admins you do not know of.

Originally Posted by Sinner

7. "Don't you dare" - Wasn't even directed at you, that was in respone to team speak, albeit entirely poorly timed and horribly placed, and entirely inconvienient.

As Potem said, you need to say this in your teamspeak, not in the global game chat. Also, if you were in any way ghosting, it is better to come clean now, I do not have a screenshot of it, but I did hear someone else ask "did you tell him where I was" in global chat after you guys were talking about exchanging XFires and also posted your TS password in the global chat before I got the other admins in.

Originally Posted by Sinner

8. Yes, I was disrespectful to you, mainly because you were disrespectful, not blatantly but with your lack of courtesy or consideration. Maybe you wanted to abuse your hammer privledges, or maybe you examine everyone with the same diligence, but there were worse people in the server who diserved kicks. Me being one, after you rubbed me the wrong way however you stuck to persuing K!ng with an almost religous fervor.

False, he was addressing the issues with him, while other admins were watching the rest of the players, if you did things against our rules, it is better to come clean now than for us to find out later from other sources.

Originally Posted by Sinner

Hes not here, because he didn't want to waste his time registering. He didn't ask me to do this, but I wanted to as it was over all a pretty aggrivating experience. This was my first time on your servers, I honestly hope this isn't how it is day to day.

If he wishes to be unbanned, as Potem also stated, he will need to register, go to the appropriate forums and read the stickies, then post his request in the proper format.

Sorry for repeating much of what Potemkine said, but I am giving my individual response to each of the questions and/or statements above as I saw fit to help support Potemkines decisions.

**Sinner** · 02-02-09, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Potemkine

Your mistake was in not communicating that to your team. You did not say to your team, "hey guys I am going to B to flank them." Chances are, that would have been well received well. But you didn't and that was your problem. You did not communicate. In our server we don't care if you play these game competitively or not. All we care about is, are you supporting the team. The decision was made not by just me but by 3 OTHER admins. Atleast one of which was on your team to listen for communication regarding flanking.

I'm sorry this game is about adaptation, SnD more than any setting. The time I take to type that, means I lost my window to surprise the team. Pass, I'm not asking permission to run a standard flank.

This was seen as admin impersonating an admin. By saying he would kick everyone implies that he is an admin which he is not. I was being nice when I only kicked him for that comment.

K!ng!ish didn't say this, so your argument is moot. Your own screen shot verifies that. You just admitted to kicking the wrong person, as Mako said that.

Wrong again. I saw multiple times where the team was heavily unbalanced and people from your clan were all on one side. I find it incredibly unrealistic that for two maps, Chinatown and Backlot, that your ENTIRE clan representation was auto balanced to one side. In fact I think its quite disingenuous.

Yes the first game we chose. Second game was coincidence.

Seriously? Are you serious about this point? Anytime someone goes "!k player reason" they are acting like an admin. The only command that players can use is !f. That is the forgive command. It was specifically designed in the admin mod for players to punish or to forgive. Players are encouraged to use !f. I dont care if he has never touched a console command in his life. It is impersonating an admin when he does it.

I never saw king use a !K, nor do any of your screen shots. If you were going to nab anything, that would be it eh?

As an admin, I am not supposed to have a sense of humor. I do not act as an admin to be fun, or to play around, No admin here does. When we start using commands, it is nothing but business and ensuring the server is upheld and enforced to TTP's standards.

Last I checked this was a game, lighten up. If you run it like a prison block you kill the point of running the server.

If that was a response to something in TS, then why was it not said in TS? Why was it said in ingame after a mocking !NO statement indicating it was directed at ingame happenings, not those occuring in TS?

He, as well as I swaps in and out. Its habbit for me, as I play WoW. Dunno about him. I dunno what he was talking about since the guy he talked to I mute because he doesn't use PTT so every background [noise runs into game and I can't hear footsteps. I asked him about it after, which is how I know at all.

There is a time for everything. There is a time for being sarcastic, there is a time for smack talking (which is encouraged) and there is a time to shut the hell up. He was being sarcastic when he should have shut the hell up. I am actually a really nice guy. Hell I could have banned him earlier as well as you. But I didn't. I was kicking him because I hoped he could reform. As I said before, I have played with Bengal before and liked what I saw. I believed that you guys were similar as you were from the same clan. I was giving you guys the benefit of a kick instead of a ban.

Respectable.

No point in arguing further. You have evidence, albeit circumstantial, and I just have my word. Which is worthless amongst your peers. I only bothered posting because I'm just an argumentative person, and easy to rile up.

Edit: Sorry I thought this was cute

However, your clan was observed on several maps to join all just one team, obviously meaning you were not auto assigning.

Several? We only played two games on your server. As you said above at the end of a ROUND we were team stacked, we don't auto assign at the beginning of a round only the game. As I said the first game we played we did all chose a team. The second game was incredulous auto assigning and none of us hopped teams.

**Arreo** · 02-02-09, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

I'm sorry this game is about adaptation, SnD more than any setting. The time I take to type that, means I lost my window to surprise the team. Pass, I'm not asking permission to run a standard flank.

You joined a server with TEAMPLAY in it's name. Here at TTP we only ask three things of players, that they help their team, that they communicate and that they treat other players with respect. That is what this community is built on and what makes us stand out from 100s and 1000s of other servers. You and your clanmates seem to have failed on all three accounts.

Yes the first game we chose. Second game was coincidence.

Bullshit. Autobalance may sometimes be a piece of shit and not pay attention to a 2 player difference. But it has never, ever assigned teams so they are 3-7.

Last I checked this was a game, lighten up. If you run it like a prison block you kill the point of running the server.

Your "Oh, this is just a pub server so I can do whatever the fuck I want" attitude is what TTP was founded to combat. We reject the idea that pubs have to be crawling cesspits of silence, lone-wolfing and clan favoritism. Our admins enforce communication and teamwork. We force lone wolfing, self centered gamers to work as a team.

You aren't playing Quake or Doom. You are playing a game with teams, objectives and ways of communicating your plans. Grow the hell up and stop playing like it is the 1990s.

Or get the hell out.