[TS] Terminus Spartans

[Crazy Wolf]

Exactly.

[Mesmerrado]

I say let the damn ice caps melt, it could even help the earth, sure people will get killed. I think the water would bring a change for crops and other things and if the earth dose flood beyond high elevations and everyone dies, theirs nothing we can do about it anyway, the o-zone is far to damaged and we can't help it or do something to fix and heal it.

[AlphaZero]

I say let the damn ice caps melt, it could even help the earth, sure people will get killed. I think the water would bring a change for crops and other things and if the earth dose flood beyond high elevations and everyone dies, theirs nothing we can do about it anyway, the o-zone is far to damaged and we can't help it or do something to fix and heal it.

Actually, there will never be a Waterworld situation. Not unless a few other planets dump all their water on us.

The floating ice would not change the water level at all if it melted, seeing as it's already in the ocean... just in a frozen state. Much of the Antarctic ice is below sea level and would not impact the rest of the world for quite some time.

The most the water could rise if all ice on Earth melts is about 215 feet. Meaning the planet will look like this:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/spac...rthicefree.jpg
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/spac...cefreemask.gif

In addition, with the weight of the glaciers removed from the landmasses, such as Greenland, would rise higher than the water and have a coastline remarkably close to what it has now. Antarctica would also rise but would still be mostly covered, while the US loses a good amount of the Gulf Coast and San Fransisco would sit at the mouth of an inland sea, the Amazon would become more of a giant bay than a river and Japan loses pretty much all of it's lowlands and becomes a mountain range sticking out of the ocean...

Damaging, but not world ending on it's own.

Oh and... no matter what, no scientist says that human action could cause that level of melting.

[Mesmerrado]

Actually, there will never be a Waterworld situation. Not unless a few other planets dump all their water on us.

The floating ice would not change the water level at all if it melted, seeing as it's already in the ocean... just in a frozen state.

Oh my, I never though of that, nice point man. :Y:

[Saquist]

it makes little to know sense to ignore the threat of global warming of the current data that leans to us using less and conserving the planet and it's resource.

[Mesmerrado]

it makes little to know sense to ignore the threat of global warming of the current data that leans to us using less and conserving the planet and it's resource.

No one is ignoring it! we just don't believe in it. and if it really is true, then what do you suggest? and don't suggest us to stop using cars and CO2 and other things, because if we fucked it up that bad theirs no sense in stopping now.

You have got to be kidding me. Do you have any idea how much humans have changed the world? We've leveled mountains, we've been farming for so long that in some places we've worn away the soil to dust, this has happened several times in different places, the primary example from modern history that is 100% indisputable is the Dust Bowl. How the hell is ripping material out of the earth, either through a small incision or the preferred method, ripping away the ground until you find what you want, not total dominance? Mining fucks almost every organism on the planet, removes tons of rock and dirt, poisons and/or stops up local rivers, etc, etc.

You have seen quarries or mines before, right? Its not like a Strip mine, once the vein is finished, puts back the earth just the way it was and unblocks the river and unpoisons the local aquifer.

I guess you're forgetting the fact that the earth can heal itself.. as for farming that's something we have to do and I believe that the earth will spout more rich soil for us to farm you guys make it sound like everything we do to survive destroys the earth, when is doesn't though the quarries mines I have to agree with you on that.

The local limestone quary also created a dangerous chemical, which is known to cause cancer and kill wildlife. Chemfuel or something it's called. So not only did the remove a whole lotta wilflide and plant life, they're now further killing it.

And when they're do mining in like 10 years, they're gonna flood it, not put back what the destroyed.

yes I'm with you their, It's a shame man needs to learn to just not mess with somethings on the earth.

[Crazy Wolf]

Actually, there will never be a Waterworld situation. Not unless a few other planets dump all their water on us.

The floating ice would not change the water level at all if it melted, seeing as it's already in the ocean... just in a frozen state. Much of the Antarctic ice is below sea level and would not impact the rest of the world for quite some time.

The floating ice wouldn't but there is a shitload of land-based ice, both at the poles and around the world(although its melted a lot in recent years). This land based ice is what we don't want to melt.

The most the water could rise if all ice on Earth melts is about 215 feet. Meaning the planet will look like this:

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/spac...rthicefree.jpg
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/spac...cefreemask.gif

In addition, with the weight of the glaciers removed from the landmasses, such as Greenland, would rise higher than the water and have a coastline remarkably close to what it has now. Antarctica would also rise but would still be mostly covered, while the US loses a good amount of the Gulf Coast and San Fransisco would sit at the mouth of an inland sea, the Amazon would become more of a giant bay than a river and Japan loses pretty much all of it's lowlands and becomes a mountain range sticking out of the ocean...

I don't think I've ever heard of a mass of rock "rising higher than the water" just because something heavy came off of it. Please, enlighten me as to how something firmly rooted to a continental plate can be affected by something as relatively light as ice. A credible source would be nice, I've heard nothing suggesting that's a possibility.

The problem with the oceans rising is that we'd lose a lot of excellent farmland and major population centers. This is generally considered not good. If the rising oceans somehow managed to create more massive rivers capable of sustaining the population they displaced (and then some, to help counter our dislike of moving), then we might be okay with it. I personally don't look forward to having my home submerged.

Damaging, but not world ending on it's own.

Oh and... no matter what, no scientist says that human action could cause that level of melting.

Why does everyone seem to compare what scientists suggest could happen to the world if the ice melts to the apocalypse? The world won't end. Our existence on it may become a lot more difficult. That is what we are trying to stop by minimizing the melt rate of the icecaps.

Really? Then what do the scientist not on a major corporation's payroll suggest is causing the ice to melt? Have we somehow incurred God's wrath, and he's punishing us by using eye-lasers to melt the ice?

No one is ignoring it! we just don't believe in it. and if it really is true, then what do you suggest? and don't suggest us to stop using cars and CO2 and other things, because if we fucked it up that bad theirs no sense in stopping now.

"We fucked it up so bad, we might have to give up a really nice luxury. Well, I guess I can deal with the displacement of millions from their homes in Florida and Bangladesh, but god dammit, I'll drive through the masses of refugees in style!"

I guess you're forgetting the fact that the earth can heal itself.. as for farming that's something we have to do and I believe that the earth will spout more rich soil for us to farm you guys make it sound like everything we do to survive destroys the earth, when is doesn't though the quarries mines I have to agree with you on that.

"the earth can heal itself?" This earns a solid "WTF?" The earth is a massive collection of minerals in various states. It doesn't really "heal itself". If it was capable of doing that, the Grand Canyon wouldn't exist, Crater Lake or other craters wouldn't exist. The earth does not heal itself. Earth does go on, no matter what happens on the top of it. I am not concerned with Earth changing as much as I am with Earth changing in a way that is detrimental to humanity or my continued existence. Farming is something we have to do, but there are plenty of ways we can improve the normal farms that blanket the land, we can also choose to shut down farms for a year or two to give nature a shot at replenishing the soil with different plants and a bunch of dead critters. This may be what you intended to say, but the problem is, if we kill all the critters and make everything drought ridden(which, due to melting glaciers and icepacks around the world, is a very real possibility. Check out the American Southwest right now), making it harder for plants to grow=making it harder for nature to replenish the soil. Try growing a normal foo crop in sand or in desert soil. Pretty much the only thing that might have a hope of growing is corn, and that's because corn is possibly the best food crop ever planted/engineered.

yes I'm with you their, It's a shame man needs to learn to just not mess with somethings on the earth.

Then lets minimize our actions that mess with things on earth, like, say, driving cars that get mileage in the single digits.

[AlphaZero]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound

It would take a couple thousand years, though.

[Crazy Wolf]

That's pretty cool, but it doesn't really solve the issue of displaced persons or submerged farmland.

[Mesmerrado]

"the earth can heal itself?" This earns a solid "WTF?" The earth is a massive collection of minerals in various states. It doesn't really "heal itself". If it was capable of doing that, the Grand Canyon wouldn't exist, Crater Lake or other craters wouldn't exist. The earth does not heal itself. Earth does go on, no matter what happens on the top of it. I am not concerned with Earth changing as much as I am with Earth changing in a way that is detrimental to humanity or my continued existence. Farming is something we have to do, but there are plenty of ways we can improve the normal farms that blanket the land, we can also choose to shut down farms for a year or two to give nature a shot at replenishing the soil with different plants and a bunch of dead critters. This may be what you intended to say, but the problem is, if we kill all the critters and make everything drought ridden(which, due to melting glaciers and icepacks around the world, is a very real possibility. Check out the American Southwest right now), making it harder for plants to grow=making it harder for nature to replenish the soil. Try growing a normal foo crop in sand or in desert soil. Pretty much the only thing that might have a hope of growing is corn, and that's because corn is possibly the best food crop ever planted/engineered.

Ok well, I was not very clear. I do believe that the earth can grow more plants that can crumble things like building or years of time, thus I was saying if the earth did flood then more rich soil will come and bring more plants to cleanse the earth, also might change something with the ozone know one knows. The grand canyon and crater lake have nothing to do with this topic and I believe you're right those are going to be their forever. I simply meant that the earth can heal itself in some aspects.

Then lets minimize our actions that mess with things on earth, like, say, driving cars that get mileage in the single digits.

Yea right, you'll be the last person to give up cars and such, many people on the earth are the same way know one is going to just stop. I wish all these liberals would just realize the earth's people will never stop doing what they want.