Thread: Enforcer nerf being tested in Beta

Originally Posted by masterPAINb

Nerf the noob pyro weapon. Ask smoke for details.

Allow me to summarize the pyro gun:
Cons

• No random crits
• No airblast

Pros

• Taunting refills health and has 90% damage resistance during taunt
  
  • Taunting also takes 2 seconds, while the average taunt takes ~4 seconds
  • Noticeably lower risk of death during taunt, compared to a regular taunt
• Crit boost is ~10 seconds
  
  • ​More than an 8 second kritzkrieg uber!
• 221 fire damage (afterburn included!) fills the bar, compared to:
  
  • 350 damage received for Battalion's Backup
  • 600 damage dealt for Buff Banner
  • 1133(!) damage dealt/633 received for Concheror

Sure, an airblastless pyro is not as useful in some respects, but I'd be hard-pressed to say that the weapon isn't obnoxious and unbalanced in its current form.

While it is stupid and powerful its not much to be afraid of. If you see a pyro taunting, back up and wait, there is nothing he can do but try and close the distance. Every other class can out range him, if you get the distance when he is taunting, you can easily do the 175 damage before he can get close enough to do any.

Its not as bad as say the Ambassador which penetrated targets, shot through gates, had a huge hitbox, and minicrit as fast as you could shoot on release. The Sydney Sleeper also penetrated targets and random crit on release. Both of which were much harder to counter and prevent then this flamer thrower, while it is annoying, its easy to avoid.

Basically, it will probably get nerfed, but Valve has fucked up worse before.

Originally Posted by EBF

Allow me to summarize the pyro gun:
Cons

• No random crits
• No airblast
• Must wait 2 seconds after telling the entire world that you're about to get crits. Time is deducted from crits.
• Can't use the shotgun if you ever want to get a full charge.
• No airblast

Pros

• Crit boost is ~8 seconds

• 221 fire damage (afterburn included!) fills the bar, compared to:
  
  • 350 damage received for Battalion's Backup
  • 600 damage dealt for Buff Banner
  • 1133(!) damage dealt/633 received for Concheror

Fixed.

In addition, having a full charge and having your feet on the ground is apparently not enough to use the crits. I've died many times while mashing M2 with a full charge that just wouldn't do anything for some reason. I haven't been able to figure out what the missing factor is (on the ground for some amount of time? Not shooting flames for some amount of time? IDK).

And to explain why the 90% damage resistance is necessary: If there was no damage resistance, you would have 2 seconds to deal 175 damage, that's about 90 DPS. Here are the classes that can deal at least 90 DPS, without crits and vanilla weapons only:
Scout
Soldier
Pyro
Demoman
Heavy
Engineer
Medic
Sniper
Spy

Originally Posted by Derek

Fixed.

I copied "10 seconds" directly from the wiki. I also watched the video just now, and it shows the pyro having crits (from time after taunt until end of boost) for ~10 seconds. Why do you say it's ~8 seconds?