Legal or Not? Well (CP)

**rock_lobster** · 12-22-08, 12:10 AM

We had an incident where members of the red team, sticky/rocket jumped over the trains into blue's side before the round started (before the gates opened). Does ttp allow this? If this has already been addressed then I apologize, but I could not find it.

**shoi** · 12-22-08, 12:18 AM

it's legal
or atleast i've never seen someone being told not to do

**DOMINATOR** · 12-22-08, 12:20 AM

legal. it's not an exploit like shooting through a gate.

**Pimp Trizkit** · 12-22-08, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by ...bigdog...

Rocket/pipe jumping over obstacles during setup time is NOT an exploit. It's a sign that the developers should have made taller obstacles and provided complete cover from fire, since the developers are WELL AWARE of player abilities to rocket/pipe jump, and it is very likely they intentionally design maps to allow for such tactics.

Right there in the rules sticky.

**kyle700** · 12-22-08, 12:36 AM

I think that it SHOULD be not legal, but whatever.

**Silent_Crow** · 12-22-08, 01:23 AM

Valve DESIGNED the maps so that you could jump over.

Its tactics, its strategy. Learn to adapt and use it to your own advantage.

**FireCrack** · 12-22-08, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Silent_Crow

Valve DESIGNED the maps so that you could jump over.

Its tactics, its strategy. Learn to adapt and use it to your own advantage.

Indeed, it's mentioned in a developer commentary or interview somewhere. The ability to jump over the trains is a feature of the map.

**texdirect6** · 12-22-08, 03:42 AM

Since Im still somewhat of a noob on TF2, even though I am getting better, what map is this on?

**Ficet99** · 12-22-08, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by texdirect6

Since Im still somewhat of a noob on TF2, even though I am getting better, what map is this on?

Their talking about Well. During the start up time you can jump over the trains next to both gates to get a jump on your opponents. Nothing stops a rush faster than a krit soldier jumping over the train to take out your uber medic and his two heavies... I have no problem with the tactic though, just stand a little bit farther from the gate or have your own soldier/demo counter act theirs. No reason to complain about something that can be easily avoided with a little bit of caution.

**QuickLightning** · 12-22-08, 10:14 AM

When TF2 was released, that was a fairly common strategy to get a bit of surprise on your opponents... Most people figured out how to counter it pretty fast and it usually wound up having a negative effect on the team performing the action since they would quickly lose a soldier/demo.