Please remove "back and forth" maps

**Darkwing** · 07-29-11, 11:42 PM

Back and forth maps, like granary, are horrible. The only way one side wins without going to sudden death is if they completely outclass the other team. If the teams are even it goes to sudden death but it takes forever to get there, plus if i wanted to play sudden death I'd play arena servers. I propose removing every map that isn't attackers vs defenders. At least those maps have a set time limit and one side will win.

**~~insanegammer109~~** · 07-29-11, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Darkwing

Back and forth maps, like granary, are horrible. The only way one side wins without going to sudden death is if they completely outclass the other team. If the teams are even it goes to sudden death but it takes forever to get there, plus if i wanted to play sudden death I'd play arena servers. I propose removing every map that isn't attackers vs defenders. At least those maps have a set time limit and one side will win.

REALLY? Remove 5cp maps like granary? Play what instead? MORE Payload?

*facepalm*

5cp maps are the most balanced well rounded and all class friendly maps/games/mode in TF2. They take strategy and skill, not just spam and massive amounts of demos and heavies.

**Captain Coors** · 07-30-11, 12:07 AM

hey dark welcome to tpg, ive seen you in game im glad you got a reserved slot and joined the forums.

Some people are going to jump down your throats probably for your suggestion, but any suggestions are welcomed. In this case though there wont be support because we run a full maps server to keep a lot of variety on the server. You'll see lots of payload but also lots of 5 pt cp. The maps are selected by vote as you know, so the population picks what it wants. Yes they do stalemate sometimes but I've seen maps of barnblitz and badwater where teams can't take the final couple points so it happens in all maps.

The worst culprits I've noticed are granary and gullywash because they just seem a little small for a 24 man server, but then again in our 4 years of having servers the vast majority of the time there are lots of points scored on them. Usually its when there are a lot of regs on that the score is low because the players are better and smarter.

**Derek** · 07-30-11, 12:51 AM

Please add more "back and forth" maps.

Gullywash, Snakewater, and (hopefully soon) Follower are a good start. I've always wanted to try Obscure too.

**~~insanegammer109~~** · 07-30-11, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Derek

Please add more "back and forth" maps.

Gullywash, Snakewater, and (hopefully soon) Follower are a good start. I've always wanted to try Obscure too.

Follower is already up, we had a great game on it tonight. *thumbs up*

**Guyver** · 07-30-11, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by insanegammer109

REALLY? Remove 5cp maps like granary? Play what instead? MORE Payload?

*facepalm*

5cp maps are the most balanced well rounded and all class friendly maps/games/mode in TF2. They take strategy and skill, not just spam and massive amounts of demos and heavies.

I like payload. :/

**moving-target** · 07-30-11, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Guyver

I like payload. :/

thats what she said !

**DrHaphazard** · 07-30-11, 02:38 AM

I prefer 5cp maps by far.

I will concede that cp_granary, designed early on as it must have been, is too chokepointy. I still prefer that kind of map because at least the side that's back on its heels has a chance to push back if they play well together.

I would also note that if your goal is to have good players on your server, you are more likely to get competitive players on a server that runs 5cp a lot.