I got banned again.

**AlphaZero** · 01-07-07, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by The Reaper

But that always asks the question do we have any right to be in control of the formation of that life?

You're questioning the right to create life? I suppose you aren't going to be having kids.

This is only slightly different than what farmers have down since there was farming to plants. Breed the best plant for the conditions and hope it doesn't kill you when you eat the damn thing.

Now we're doing it with cows. Whoopdedoo. Call me when they start genetically engineering people. The last thing we need is a planet full of Ricardo Montalbans all quoting Moby Dick whilst showing off their pecs.

**Ged** · 01-07-07, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Nuke

I'm not speaking in the sense of biomechanical machinery that has the capability to imitate a human. Rather, I am speaking about a totally electronic device that in no way has any relation to a biological organism. While we may regularly use various analogies to describe a mechanical device as a human, there still remain the critical difference between what is a biological organism and a piece of hardware.

But if we were to say that your post is complete and undeniable fact, then is would also suggest that all other electronic/mechanical devices are also forms or life. This laptop I am using to post this, the MS Word program I used to spell check it, the lights in my house, the piece of shit Toyota in my driveway -- what you say classifies these mechanical objects as life forms, when in fact they possess no autonomy or intelligence. They require human assistance to operate, or are confined to the limits of several lines of code. So quite simply, they are not alive.

I chose the analogy of a biological machine since I don’t see the relevance that androids have to this discussion, but just the same:

Intelligence is no pre-requisite for life, nor is requiring human assistance, (or more specifically the lack thereof.) Someone in a comma on life support may have no appreciable intelligence, they depend on human assistance to operate, yet they are still alive and there is often great debate over whether we have the right to kill them by removing our support. The POS Toyota in your driveway may be the mechanical equivalent of a bacteria compared to a human.
If one day we create a machine that mimics our behaviour perfectly, performs all the same functions, and it stands up and says 'I am alive' (oh how corny) how could we possibly gain-say it? It would perform every function that we did, however we defined life it would fulfil it. It would possibly perform the function through a slightly different method than we did but it would be made of the same essential building blocks of matter as ourselves, it would breathe, eat, sleep, reproduce and grow just as we did. Bar some belief in the supernatural there is little I could see that would deny it the definition of life.

Interesting though the validity of human/machine life is however, (especially since hardly anyone within the scientific community can agree on quite what constitutes 'life,') as I’ve mentioned I fail to see what connection it has to the original topic of cloning. We create clones but they are clearly not mechanical, they have their own demonstrable intelligence, if left to survive without humans they could do so as well as any other member of their species. If you care to draw a distinction between what is mechanical and what is biological then clones fall firmly on the side of biology.

**Fortyk** · 01-07-07, 07:13 AM

If it's not marked as cloned and not cloned, I'm going vegetarian. It's just wierd and I would never eat it...

**Mr Psi** · 01-07-07, 01:40 PM

It's just like any other food... I have no problems with cloning.

And even if I did, I'd probably remain omnivorous- I like my meat ;)

**Pure/dmg** · 06-09-07, 07:32 AM

Hey guys, sorry to be a pain in the ass but, I got banned by accident yesterday following some moron, insulting me constantly. It turns out from the banning admin that my name was just above his in the "ban list", a player left the server bumping the names down. He hit the wrong number, banning me.

I have spoken to the banning admin, he told me I would be unbanned, but I see no evidence of being unbanned anywhere.

I am not trying to stir shit, I am merely trying to play the game.

My steam ID is

Disconnect: STEAM UserID STEAM_0:1:14714986 is banned.
Disconnect: STEAM UserID STEAM_0:1:14714986 is banned.

**Bueller** · 06-09-07, 07:49 AM

You spoke to the banning admin already? Where?

**Pure/dmg** · 06-09-07, 07:51 AM

Xfire. Well he contacted me saying sorry, was a mistake.

**Bueller** · 06-09-07, 08:02 AM

Please PM me the name of that admin.

**digital** · 06-09-07, 08:05 AM

Unbanned. You Can Play Today.

**Bueller** · 06-09-07, 08:22 AM

Thanks for the PM, I will get in touch with the admin and clarify what happened. Until then, we have (well Digi has) removed you from the banned player listing.