Thread: Banned for no valid reason?

Again, hellfire missiles are not the TV missiles.

I don't think you guys understand how easy it is to fire missiles and mark targets.

If someone spots something, you can generally know the direction of the target by the squad leaders attack points.... EVEN if they are several 100 meters away. You just need to fire several before you actually figure out where the target is.

And no... I did no get 9 kills with the TV missiles, that is all wrong. I got a majority of my kills with the hellfires, which are close-range rapid-fire shots killing infantry.

This shouldn't be a concern at all, and I don't know why you guys have no idea how people do this.... This isn't some cheat or some 'fog hack'. It's a simple form of trial and error to kill a target. (Fire one, do a fly-over. Unless you see a target, keep firing to find something. Fire shots in the known area where the target is, and try to make the kill.) But again, I only killed one enemy with the TV missile, all other targets were surely shot from the other squad's helo, how many times do I have to repeat that.

If you continue to be suspicious of all this and think I am still 'cheating', this thread gets sadder and sadder by the minute. This all should be common knowledge of how people play the game, and the tactics they use to make a kill.

Ask on the PR forum, this is perfectly normal from players that know how-to use the weapons to their fullest.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

Again, hellfire missiles are not the TV missiles.

Actually, they are. Hellfires are the laser/radar guided missiles, Hydras are the unguided rockets. It helps to have some idea what your talking about before you repeatedly correct people.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

I don't think you guys understand how easy it is to fire missiles and mark targets.

Yes, except I was on voice comms with your squad member, and the other members of your team, and the people being fired at on the MEC team. There was no commander on your team, and your squad leader was not marking targets. You were pinpointing targets without any assistance from other players.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

If someone spots something, you can generally know the direction of the target by the squad leaders attack points.... EVEN if they are several 100 meters away. You just need to fire several before you actually figure out where the target is.

Yes, except your squad leader was not marking targets or giving attack markers for you.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

And no... I did no get 9 kills with the TV missiles, that is all wrong. I got a majority of my kills with the hellfires, which are close-range rapid-fire shots killing infantry.

Once again, Hydra Rockets are what you're claiming your kills with, but there was only a single AH1 crewed at the time, and it was firing guided hellfires.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

This shouldn't be a concern at all, and I don't know why you guys have no idea how people do this.... This isn't some cheat or some 'fog hack'. It's a simple form of trial and error to kill a target. (Fire one, do a fly-over. Unless you see a target, keep firing to find something. Fire shots in the known area where the target is, and try to make the kill.) But again, I only killed one enemy with the TV missile, all other targets were surely shot from the other squad's helo, how many times do I have to repeat that.

There was a second helo airborne after this event, but at the time this transpired, it is reported to me by your team that the only AH1 in operation was yours on the deck of the carrier. Also as stated, all of the incoming missiles were fired from the carrier, not from an airborne position.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

If you continue to be suspicious of all this and think I am still 'cheating', this thread gets sadder and sadder by the minute. This all should be common knowledge of how people play the game, and the tactics they use to make a kill.

Action was taken based on the voiced concerns in game, and you were politely asked to explain your actions here. The information here will be presented to the admins for a vote, you will be informed of the results within 3 days.

Originally Posted by woof

Originally Posted by Tweaky

Again, hellfire missiles are not the TV missiles.

Actually, they are. Hellfires are the laser/radar guided missiles, Hydras are the unguided rockets. It helps to have some idea what your talking about before you repeatedly correct people.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

I don't think you guys understand how easy it is to fire missiles and mark targets.

Yes, except I was on voice comms with your squad member, and the other members of your team, and the people being fired at on the MEC team. There was no commander on your team, and your squad leader was not marking targets. You were pinpointing targets without any assistance from other players.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

If someone spots something, you can generally know the direction of the target by the squad leaders attack points.... EVEN if they are several 100 meters away. You just need to fire several before you actually figure out where the target is.

Yes, except your squad leader was not marking targets or giving attack markers for you.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

And no... I did no get 9 kills with the TV missiles, that is all wrong. I got a majority of my kills with the hellfires, which are close-range rapid-fire shots killing infantry.

Once again, Hydra Rockets are what you're claiming your kills with, but there was only a single AH1 crewed at the time, and it was firing guided hellfires.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

This shouldn't be a concern at all, and I don't know why you guys have no idea how people do this.... This isn't some cheat or some 'fog hack'. It's a simple form of trial and error to kill a target. (Fire one, do a fly-over. Unless you see a target, keep firing to find something. Fire shots in the known area where the target is, and try to make the kill.) But again, I only killed one enemy with the TV missile, all other targets were surely shot from the other squad's helo, how many times do I have to repeat that.

There was a second helo airborne after this event, but at the time this transpired, it is reported to me by your team that the only AH1 in operation was yours on the deck of the carrier. Also as stated, all of the incoming missiles were fired from the carrier, not from an airborne position.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

If you continue to be suspicious of all this and think I am still 'cheating', this thread gets sadder and sadder by the minute. This all should be common knowledge of how people play the game, and the tactics they use to make a kill.

Action was taken based on the voiced concerns in game, and you were politely asked to explain your actions here. The information here will be presented to the admins for a vote, you will be informed of the results within 3 days.

Ok sorry, Hydras, I am mistaken. But I did NOT get 9 kills with the TV missile, so please stop that. Besides, hitting infantry with a TV missile is not easy, I am not ---that--- good. Hitting infantry with hydras however (which I was doing), that is very easy.

And yes the squad leader WAS marking targets, he always had a target marked at Olive Hill and Village Fort, those were the ones I used. But again, I only had ONE kill with the TV missile, can I not be anymore clear?

Are you against someone being good in a helicopter? Why must you say I am "suspicious" and believe you have the grounds to ban me without knowing anything about how I was getting the kills? Commander says I killed 2 people in an APC, I don't ever remember killing anyone in an APC, only spawning in one on the coast.

However, you said earlier that the problem here WASN'T the issue of TV missiles being fired from the carrier, so that subject is off topic completely according to you. You stated above precisely that it was regarding the suspicious "extremely accurate TV missiles" were in question. I explained to you how I found my targets, and how it is done, ON ANY map with attack helos. I say again, go ask on the PR forum, hell.... even look at their basic Helo guide about recon TV missiles, it's all in there. If you are going to accuse me of cheating, that is really poor assumptions, and very bad intuition about this game.

If you guys want me to show you how I do any of my kills, I am more than welcome to get on your server and show you how I get easy hydra kills, and TV missile kills. This is nothing new though, everyone should have experienced someone flying a chopper in BF2, good grief.

I still don't understand how anything I did warrants a ban. Like you said, the rockets fired from the carrier are not the case here.... so what is it? You are just accusing me of cheating, and you believe I am 100% quilty of something here? This is absolutely ludicrous on your part, and I cannot believe the kind of treatment I am getting here regarding this whole thing. Of course I am defending myself fully here, because I want to set the record straight on what happened, for which you have very limited intel on from my point of view. The ONLY facts that you have are people complaining of TV missiles on voicecomm. That is it... nothing else. Based on that, I still do not see any valid reasons as to why you would feel a ban was in order, it is completely unfair and out of line. Because I did nothing wrong, absolutely nothing.

Thank You all for your time, I'll come back another day......

Tweaky,

A vote has been put up on your behalf but if you want to walk then it makes it an easy decision.

Nuck

The admins voted and since you walked away, I think that had a lot to do with it. Anyway, Your ban was upheld and if you wish, you may appeal in 30 days from today.

Originally Posted by Tweaky

I didn't mean I was walking away from your server....

I took a 2-day vacation to let these things be the least of my worries... it is Labor Day Weekend afterall :)

Originally Posted by Tweaky

Well.... I don't know if you are expecting some kind of apology or confession... but I don't see that coming out of my end anytime soon, because as I said repeateadly in that thread, I have no idea what I was banned for, and there is STILL yet to be a valid reason as to why I was banned.

I don't cheat, I don't exploit, I don't do anything that is "suspicious". Furthermore, I do not believe woof took into consideration any of the alternative solutions to this matter, and decided to ban me without hesitation, and without proper justice. It is very unfair to have someone as innocent as I am be banned from your server, and then have to go through all these difficult tasks just to get back on your server and continue to have a good time. The more and more persistent I am in trying to clearly explain everything, the more I just sound stupid to you probably. I cannot do much else other than wait for your responses to actually see some positive replies that could possibly favor my situation. However, all I have seen so far is that I have been accused of cheating on your server (which I haven't), and been accused of doing something that A LOT of people do in PR servers... which is nothing new. What woof was being told by other people are simply complaints, with no SOLID evidence thrown out here. That said, I still do not see what gives you guys the veracity to uphold my ban for something that is not concrete and/or not written as a clear reason.

I YET to see the reason for which I am banned, and be given full evidence. If you are accusing me of cheating, please explain WHAT you think I did was cheating.

I can continue to cry being 'innocent', and if I take a few days off to have some vacation, I have to wait with your whole court system here? I am telling you the truth here, and there is nothing I should be banned over. I don't understand why this has to be some huge and difficult process, when all I did was kill people with the attack chopper, and then you guys get complaints about it. It is absolutely ridiculous and totally unfair.

For more than a month now I've had to give your server a good word, since I've been playing on it so often. But now that this has happened, what am I to do? Where am I to play? I most certainly do NOT want to play on a majority of other hosts, and your host is beginning to shoot to a very low level with these cases. Quite frankly, I think you are just trying to get rid of me. If someone that is as innocent as me, given such a wild claim to be banned for, and still cannot get back on the server..... it cannot be anymore obvious that you take your server WAY too seriously, even with innocent players.

We will discuss it......We are fair guys... However a vote has went through and we have to stand by that.... There are second chances, whether we make a mistake or the player makes a mistake... We try our our best to make sure everyone is playing as a team and there is no cheating involved or just causing a disruption period....