Thread: Championship Finals: fragpants vs. K Money Krew!

Well since you said "ya" didn't mean ME, my comment wasn't only aimed at you, it was in reference to some of idunn's comments as well because he referred to things said between naeroK and himself inside and outside of the game, not me.

Edit: Completely missed the 1st part of your post. Yes luker said GG and said it wasn't ideal, if you kept reading I basically said we could have pushed this back like other matches in the tournament to make it ideal. I understand that it wasn't the best championship, so I don't care if we keep this win or not, that match just isn't going to happen. I don't think my post alone is what made Idunn change his mind, it also had to do with luker changing his mind and lukers teammates being disappointed with the outcome as well. Luker was the 1 who decided to take that last FFL instead of a 4v5 from what he told me, he also said it's over on and off the forums to me personally, but he changed his mind as well.

Ok enough is enough. Keep this to tournament talk only please. If you have any further problems with someone on your team or another team take it up in PM's. Stop the bitching and whining and move on.

This is my 2 Cents on this whole fiasco.

1. this tournament randomly had the top 4 teams play each other? than the next week the rest of the team played. I have never seen any tournament ever in my life ran like that where 4 teams play one week and the rest play the next week. I know idunn didn't pull this from his ass but never in my life in gaming have I ever seen it like that.

2. Everyone in this tournament got to push back a match for their "ideal" day to play. When I couldn't make it for upper bracket semi finals I believe and my team had to play 4v5 you didn't let us push our match back like you let everyone else in this tournament you even stated "i gave kaido the offer to push it back but your team wanted to play" which I call bs on knowing kaido never wanted to play without me his starter.

2.5 We should of just played the default day and forced you not to play with luker that way i could of played in that match. But no we were nice and decided to push it back for you and your team so luker could play. But did we get the same treatment? yeah thats a no.

3.I cant remember which week it was but we had to wait 3 weeks to play and it some how played in your favor of when you went of vacation.

4. NO i repeat NO person who runs a tournament should be able to play in the tournament makes it to sketchy if things go wrong and always seems to be in the favor of the person who runs the tournament.

5.THE FINALS so basically kaido who stated he would play from 7-9. so lets talk about this lets say we started the whole tournament at 9pm. A cs:go match takes up to about an hour. so when the 2nd match was played like it was played at 10pm. the third match would of still been played at its respected time. So how is this a problem you still would of had to ffl.

6.Call it a tie call it what ever even if you didn't win the 10pm match making it 1 ffl match for us 1 win for us and 1 ffw for us.

7. Oh btw what the hell is with this Re-match of only 1 map? how does this even work lets be real? considering both teams took a ffl. so ?? please do tell?

8. The reason I'm done with this tournament is due to the fact its gone on to long. to much shady stuff has happened. lets be real I'm not the only one who has seen the shady stuff but one of the few who actually talked about it. oh and btw Luker has also told us the tournament had gone on to long and didn't want to play in it. but that's just he say she say since he told you another thing.

Look who stopped by. I thought you'd never post.

Originally Posted by naerok

This is my 2 Cents on this whole fiasco.

1. this tournament randomly had the top 4 teams play each other? than the next week the rest of the team played. I have never seen any tournament ever in my life ran like that where 4 teams play one week and the rest play the next week. I know idunn didn't pull this from his ass but never in my life in gaming have I ever seen it like that.

The top 4 teams? The top 4 teams of the tournament were KMK, fragpants, Buckets of Love, and <9000. Only one of those played in the first round. If you can make me a better double elimination tournament bracket for 10 teams, I would love to see it. You have probably never played a 10 team double elimination bracket before. Otherwise I would shut your mouth and quit crying wolf.

Originally Posted by naerok

2. Everyone in this tournament got to push back a match for their "ideal" day to play. When I couldn't make it for upper bracket semi finals I believe and my team had to play 4v5 you didn't let us push our match back like you let everyone else in this tournament you even stated "i gave kaido the offer to push it back but your team wanted to play" which I call bs on knowing kaido never wanted to play without me his starter.

Everyone got to push a match back? Are you kidding me? There were 2 forfeits in week 4 alone. There were two reschedules throughout the entire tournament. The first one, week 3, match 8. Vafa's team was all set, team #1 did not have 5 show up. I was going to give Vafa the forfeit win but he told me he would reschedule, which was completely on him. I didn't give everyone but you 'special privileges' like you are insinuating.

The second reschedule occurred the week I was out of town. week 5, match 16 Kanape vs Buckets of Love. This match is indeed questionable. I was not here for this match, so the only info I could base it off was the forum. Match was scheduled for a friday, some of buckets team didn't show. Should have been a forfeit but affinity agreed to reschedule which again is completely up to him. The rescheduled match affinity couldn't make it. Now, Buckets should have received a forfeit. Me trying to handle this over the phone with no knowledge of the specific details(who had 5 at what time and who didn't) I simply told them to reschedule. So one match had a questionable reschedule, my apologies. Again, quit crying wolf.

Originally Posted by naerok

2.5 We should of just played the default day and forced you not to play with luker that way i could of played in that match. But no we were nice and decided to push it back for you and your team so luker could play. But did we get the same treatment? yeah thats a no.

There was a lapse in the upper bracket for the lower bracket to finish out. Kaido requested to push it back another week, it wouldn't make a difference because the lower bracket still had to finish out. Also, you were unable to play that weekend, and luker preferred to not play during the week, you ALSO had members that couldn't make it during the week. However, we all agreed, had to scheduled for the following Sunday night for 8pm. Everyone showed up, except you. Quit crying wolf.

Originally Posted by naerok

3.I cant remember which week it was but we had to wait 3 weeks to play and it some how played in your favor of when you went of vacation.

Week 5. There were supposed to be 2 matches for each team that week. Since it was hard enough to get teams to schedule 1 match a week, I split the week into 2 parts. I was on vacation for the first part, and a few days into the second. Either way, my vacation had no impact of participating or not participating in the tournament. The split week was beneficial to all teams participating, it wasn't an executive decision of mine, it was a mutual agreement between several others. But I can see coming from your perspective of things how everything is shady.

Originally Posted by naerok

4. NO i repeat NO person who runs a tournament should be able to play in the tournament makes it to sketchy if things go wrong and always seems to be in the favor of the person who runs the tournament.

Once again, coming from your perspective of things, I can see how everything is shady. I am not disagreeing with you completely, however, I was not the sole loneshark running this tournament. There were actually quite a few others helping, and the majority of things were mutual agreements for the specific fact there were no biased favoring.

Originally Posted by naerok

5.THE FINALS so basically kaido who stated he would play from 7-9. so lets talk about this lets say we started the whole tournament at 9pm. A cs:go match takes up to about an hour. so when the 2nd match was played like it was played at 10pm. the third match would of still been played at its respected time. So how is this a problem you still would of had to ffl.

What time did you show up again? Oh, so I should have forfeited in favor of us when you weren't there 7-9? But I didn't. Somebody get that wolf a tissue.

Originally Posted by naerok

6.Call it a tie call it what ever even if you didn't win the 10pm match making it 1 ffl match for us 1 win for us and 1 ffw for us.

7. Oh btw what the hell is with this Re-match of only 1 map? how does this even work lets be real? considering both teams took a ffl. so ?? please do tell?

We played 1 match in the championship. You guys won. Therefore, we both have 1 loss. We OBVIOUSLY have a problem with making matches on time and scheduling, so trying to schedule more than one map for you would be damn near impossible.

Originally Posted by naerok

8. The reason I'm done with this tournament is due to the fact its gone on to long. to much shady stuff has happened. lets be real I'm not the only one who has seen the shady stuff but one of the few who actually talked about it. oh and btw Luker has also told us the tournament had gone on to long and didn't want to play in it. but that's just he say she say since he told you another thing.

It has gone on entirely way to long. And you specifically wanted more reschedules. Which I've said several times is COMPLETELY my fault for being lenient with the scheduling. Which is Ironic, because you guys wouldn't have even made it to the championship if that wasn't the case. Thanks for checking in.

I was hesitant to post because I didnt want to start drama but since you want to be an e-thug and talk ish saying im some lone wolf who needs a tissue.

lets state the facts. I have been to many online/lan tournaments the last one being KODE 5 USA qualifiers. hmm which happened to be 10 man double elimination brackets so? so shut my mouth? cry wolf? I think not please get a brain or don't talk.... so where is your experiences coming from?

are you kidding me yes lots of teams got push backs for their match's we waited 3 1/2 weeks to play lower bracket finals are you serious....

whats ironic is that you think we wouldn't have won the championship or even made it to the finals is this a joke?. but you wouldn't even be near the finals had we played on the default day.

this tournament is a joke and so are you. I used to respect you but after this tournament how could I. Oh btw give the championship to your team who cares about it. get your trophy and shut up.

just don't respond and lock this whole section up I am done I could care less about a retort from you.

Originally Posted by naerok

I was hesitant to post because I didnt want to start drama but since you want to be an e-thug and talk ish saying im some lone wolf who needs a tissue.

lets state the facts. I have been to many online/lan tournaments the last one being KODE 5 USA qualifiers. hmm which happened to be 10 man double elimination brackets so? so shut my mouth? cry wolf? I think not please get a brain or don't talk.... so where is your experiences coming from?

are you kidding me yes lots of teams got push backs for their match's we waited 3 1/2 weeks to play lower bracket finals are you serious....

whats ironic is that you think we wouldn't have won the championship or even made it to the finals is this a joke?. but you wouldn't even be near the finals had we played on the default day.

this tournament is a joke and so are you. I used to respect you but after this tournament how could I. Oh btw give the championship to your team who cares about it. get your trophy and shut up.

just don't respond and lock this whole section up I am done I could care less about a retort from you.

Listen bud, no need to get your panties in a bunch. I would like to see your 10 man double elimination brackets so you have some validity to your post. I've played in many lan/online tournaments too... however those mean little to nothing when it comes to actually running/managing a tournament.

I never said who would have/wouldn't have won any match. All teams had enough talent and skill as the next. I was judging by the consistency of your noshows, not lack of skill.

All we wanted was a legit championship. Get mad, be angry, I can't change that. I'm sorry you feel the way you do but sometimes our ego gets the best of us.

I wish you the best of luck.

Just wanted to say thanks to dunn for putting his time into the tournament. No, it wasn't perfect and scheduling issues were a plenty, but when it came down to who wanted to step up and take charge dunn did so. I think we learned a few things from this last tournament that can be fixed in the next one, but all in all I enjoyed the matches I played and had GREAT fun watching the other teams play and do a bit of casting -- something I haven't done in probably half a decade!

Thanks to the casters and camera men from the media team who participated including: Rob, Raush, abitar, Australian Schoolgirl, and others I can't remember right now (sorry!) Also thanks to the other TPG contributors that pitched in their time, money, and energy to get this thing rolling. Organizing something like this isn't easy, big ups to all of you!

Thanks dunn I appreciated it as I am sure a lot of the players that participated do. Cheers to next time

Oh, and a shout out to all my KANAPE! brethren: Laz, Azalea, Old B&G, gotchya, cogs, Hell Hunter, and B! You guys were awesome teammates, and I thank all of you for being on time and dedicated. Hope you guys learned something and maybe had some fun at the same time. I couldn't of asked for more attentive, good humored, and humble teammates. I kind of like some of you now... maybe.

Till next year everyone!

There was a lapse in the upper bracket for the lower bracket to finish out. Kaido requested to push it back another week, it wouldn't make a difference because the lower bracket still had to finish out. Also, you were unable to play that weekend, and luker preferred to not play during the week, you ALSO had members that couldn't make it during the week. However, we all agreed, had to scheduled for the following Sunday night for 8pm. Everyone showed up, except you. Quit crying wolf.

I think you need to talk to Luker about this one to get your facts straight, we discussed things off the forum as well. We were ready to play Wednesday, all 5, check the match thread. We were ready to play Thursday with all 5 after 10, or if we had to earlier on Thursday with Repressive duck playing instead of Pred. Yes we could not play that weekend, but could we have been scumbags and said play during the week or we force default Thursday on you and play with Repressive Duck instead of Pred. Luker would have had to take an early lunch according to him or call off of work all together for that day. Did we pull a move like that and be unfair, nah, WE suggested to push the match back an extra week because it wouldn't affect the brackets and because naeroK was available for that weekend at the time we agreed on this. Sure he had something more important pop up, told me a couple days in advance, I got a backup to say he'd make the match for me but he didn't show up. We waited in the server, and I guess played the match because no one said let's be nice and delay this match for them this time since they wanted to make it fair for us in the 1st place.

What time did you show up again? Oh, so I should have forfeited in favor of us when you weren't there 7-9? But I didn't. Somebody get that wolf a tissue.

We played 1 match in the championship. You guys won. Therefore, we both have 1 loss. We OBVIOUSLY have a problem with making matches on time and scheduling, so trying to schedule more than one map for you would be damn near impossible.

It has gone on entirely way to long. And you specifically wanted more reschedules. Which I've said several times is COMPLETELY my fault for being lenient with the scheduling. Which is Ironic, because you guys wouldn't have even made it to the championship if that wasn't the case. Thanks for checking in.

We as a team scheduled the most matches in the tournament and scheduled all but the last 2 earlier than most teams did, some didn't even post in the match comms thread until media or someone else would ask them if they are going to play this or not. As I said earlier though, 1 of the 2 matches that we had issues with could have been completely avoided if we wanted to be "shady" or scumbags or "unfair" to you guys. As for our last match, the BO3 Championship, I think we need to clarify for some of the people reading this and commenting that the 7-9 unconfirmed time did not mean the BO3 maps would be completed in that time frame, it was a time frame for when MAP 1 could possibly start. Again, an unconfirmed time, making this the only time throughout the entire tournament I could not confirm a match time because I could not get the info I needed from team members. So sticking to the time frame, 9pm rolls around, we don't have 5, you guys waited well past 15-20 minutes and got the FFW, which is acceptable and I'm not complaining about it, our fault as a team for not worrying about future matches that need to be scheduled, especially when the tournament keeps getting delayed. Again, sticking to the time frame, map 2 start time would be somewhere around 9:45-10pm, we got 5 by 10pm and you still had yours, we played that and ended before 11. Map 3 would obviously start around 10:45-11pm or so, we still had our 5 but unfortunately for you guys this time you only had 4 and LUKER wanted to take the FFL instead of playing out. Legit? IMHO yes. Ideal? No. Shit happens, it is what it is. Could the tournament admin who was on one of the teams in the finals have made the decision to push back the entire BO3 or at least map 3? Yes, but that didn't happen and KMK was told they won, but obviously now everyone wants to change their mind because a certain team lost and it wasn't "ideal", but it definitely was "legit".

Originally Posted by Kaido

I think you need to talk to Luker about this one to get your facts straight, we discussed things off the forum as well. We were ready to play Wednesday, all 5, check the match thread. We were ready to play Thursday with all 5 after 10, or if we had to earlier on Thursday with Repressive duck playing instead of Pred. Yes we could not play that weekend, but could we have been scumbags and said play during the week or we force default Thursday on you and play with Repressive Duck instead of Pred. Luker would have had to take an early lunch according to him or call off of work all together for that day. Did we pull a move like that and be unfair, nah, WE suggested to push the match back an extra week because it wouldn't affect the brackets and because naeroK was available for that weekend at the time we agreed on this. Sure he had something more important pop up, told me a couple days in advance, I got a backup to say he'd make the match for me but he didn't show up. We waited in the server, and I guess played the match because no one said let's be nice and delay this match for them this time since they wanted to make it fair for us in the 1st place.

We as a team scheduled the most matches in the tournament and scheduled all but the last 2 earlier than most teams did, some didn't even post in the match comms thread until media or someone else would ask them if they are going to play this or not. As I said earlier though, 1 of the 2 matches that we had issues with could have been completely avoided if we wanted to be "shady" or scumbags or "unfair" to you guys. As for our last match, the BO3 Championship, I think we need to clarify for some of the people reading this and commenting that the 7-9 unconfirmed time did not mean the BO3 maps would be completed in that time frame, it was a time frame for when MAP 1 could possibly start. Again, an unconfirmed time, making this the only time throughout the entire tournament I could not confirm a match time because I could not get the info I needed from team members. So sticking to the time frame, 9pm rolls around, we don't have 5, you guys waited well past 15-20 minutes and got the FFW, which is acceptable and I'm not complaining about it, our fault as a team for not worrying about future matches that need to be scheduled, especially when the tournament keeps getting delayed. Again, sticking to the time frame, map 2 start time would be somewhere around 9:45-10pm, we got 5 by 10pm and you still had yours, we played that and ended before 11. Map 3 would obviously start around 10:45-11pm or so, we still had our 5 but unfortunately for you guys this time you only had 4 and LUKER wanted to take the FFL instead of playing out. Legit? IMHO yes. Ideal? No. Shit happens, it is what it is. Could the tournament admin who was on one of the teams in the finals have made the decision to push back the entire BO3 or at least map 3? Yes, but that didn't happen and KMK was told they won, but obviously now everyone wants to change their mind because a certain team lost and it wasn't "ideal", but it definitely was "legit".

Luker has said from the get-go he would take a night off of work if he absolutely had to.

Once again, the bottom line is if naeroK would have shown up at the confirmed times, all of this would have been avoided. But some how it's everyone else's fault. I understand people have more important things going on, that's expected. I'm not speaking to you directly, but man up to your own faults. If I choose A over B, and I get upset over B, that's my own damn fault.

You were definitely one of the more proactive captains in the tournament when it came to scheduling, and I commend you for that. You and a few others showed up to your matches on time. I understand there are a select few others on your team who had other issues, and that's unfortunate.

The fact is, the tournament dragged on waaay to long, so by the championship all motivation was lost. And that's my fault. Yes, the confirmed times, the bo3, and matches altogether were a bit wishy-washy. Once again, my fault. But I wasn't going to have the entire tournament result in a forfeit, especially when it was your team who failed to show up in the first place, for the second time...

All I wanted was a 5v5 matchup to declare the victor. Not a forfeit because someone failed to show up at the confrimed time, not a forfeit because a team can't field 5, a head-to-head 5v5 matchup. I don't care if its 1 match, or 100 matches. But since that's not going to happen, it will be a draw.

I appreciate everyone who had a part in this tournament. I am very sorry for the way it turned out. For trying to be a fun tournament it ended pretty hostile, and I take full responsibility for that.

Notes for next tournament:

1) Be strict on scheduling, force default times if not scheduled within the proper time frame.
2) If a team fails to show up at scheduled time, they are allotted 15min after the scheduled time to have 5. If not, a forfeit will be implemented.

With those 2 rules, this tournament would have had a much different outcome. People take advantage of leniency, and use it as ammunition.

I look forward to doing this again soon, on much better terms. Thanks again to everyone, see you in the servers.

-Dunn