Clarification needed

**DJ Ms. White** · 02-28-09, 04:18 PM

Elk,
I need you to clarify why you left the clearly losing team in TF2 on Steel today to go play on the other team. I'd really like to know why a resident clan member did this.

**DJ Ms. White** · 03-01-09, 01:21 PM

I find it odd that a clan leader has been called out and no one gives a crap. Is this really how IRON operates? Fuck the rules? Fuck teamplay?

**~~Cpt.Reiskis~~** · 03-01-09, 01:38 PM

We care, just give it time for Elk to respond.  We don't operate like that.

I wasn't there, therefore I can't really respond to this.

**Unorignal** · 03-01-09, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I find it odd that a clan leader has been called out and no one gives a crap. Is this really how IRON operates? Fuck the rules? Fuck teamplay?

No fuck you, you called Elk out not us. Give me man time to respond.

**Partyball** · 03-01-09, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Unorignal

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I find it odd that a clan leader has been called out and no one gives a crap. Is this really how IRON operates? Fuck the rules? Fuck teamplay?

No fuck you, you called Elk out not us. Give me man time to respond.

I like it!

**Potemkine** · 03-01-09, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Partyball

Originally Posted by Unorignal

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I find it odd that a clan leader has been called out and no one gives a crap. Is this really how IRON operates? Fuck the rules? Fuck teamplay?

No fuck you, you called Elk out not us. Give me man time to respond.

I like it!

Gentlemen, just remember who you are talking to.

Mr. White is calling out a member of this clan AS AN ADMIN and its the duty of the individual party and the clan leaders to post that they have seen this topic and that its being discussed. A simple, this is being discussed would have sufficed. But it is odd that this topic has seen the absence of 4 pillars of the TTP community.

Watch your attitude.

**laggyNgroovy** · 03-01-09, 02:56 PM

Unoriginal, Partyball.... There is a time to band together behind a clan mate and a time to work professionally to figure out the crux of the matter. This is one of the latter.

If I were to take the "fuck you" approach, I should just ban him first, then ask what he was thinking?

Yes, give Elk time to respond, but your approach only serves to inflame which can't help anyone.

**elkhartadam** · 03-01-09, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I find it odd that a clan leader has been called out and no one gives a crap. Is this really how IRON operates? Fuck the rules? Fuck teamplay?

I had not played a minute of any game in nearly 2-weeks. I saw some friends that were foes and felt like battling along side some buddies. I honestly don't recall switching to the winning team, just the team with my friends.

Are you really calling both me and an entire clan because I switched teams (first time that I can recall doing this in TF2 mind you) off of one incident? Wow!

Is that sufficient White? I needed to respond short and sweet since I have some personnal obligations to tend to. I will be happy to discuss this later today when I have the time. I'm truly blown away by this.

**Partyball** · 03-01-09, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by laggyNgroovy

Unoriginal, Partyball.... There is a time to band together behind a clan mate and a time to work professionally to figure out the crux of the matter. This is one of the latter.

If I were to take the "fuck you" approach, I should just ban him first, then ask what he was thinking?

Yes, give Elk time to respond, but your approach only serves to inflame which can't help anyone.

Did he not call every single one of us out on the whole "Is this really how IRON operates? Fuck the rules? Fuck teamplay?" So, ban me if you would like. But my "Fuck you" still stands.

Yes, very professional. Calling a resident clan out for not "teamplaying" Being professional would of been in a PM to elk to get his side of it before he went all lets see what I can stur up by pissing in someones soup.

**laggyNgroovy** · 03-01-09, 04:04 PM

So be it. Lets see how things play out.

Comment to clan leader went unanswered for 21 hours. Granted, Elk could be busy. Life happens. But not a single clan member stepped up and at least said "whoa, stand by, let me find out what's going on" which led to the question about the clan itself.

And a PM to solve the issue? Seriously? The only obligation any admin has is to address a ban that they have issued. Anything more is just icing on the cake. How many times have you seen that explained by the high admins? Many people get a lot of entertainment from the banned forums for just such proceedings.

So, now.... I'm waiting for a better explanation about why playing with friends is more about teamplay than trying to right a sinking ship (loosing team). Which is it, teamplay with my friends or teamplay for TTP to set the example. Bros before hoes.

But hey, fuck me. No problem.