EOD bot

**Amador +JP2+** · 04-21-13, 06:18 PM

#3. Pursue your objective, or die trying.

BF3 is a different game than BF2, TF2, CS, PR and ArmA. It bothers me to think that folks believe there is a single objective in BF3 or a single way to attack an objective.

There are two occasions where #3 could be applied and does not adequately fit the circumstances in either. First, when a game begins or one is in the middle of a battle and multiple flags are available to defend and attack. In this instance there are multiple objectives. About the only time I think it would be prudent to punish at this point is to deal with those people queuing up for a jet/chopper/tank ... whatever. If you are standing in a line or waiting out the next death in a vehicle you are wasting your team's time and space. Outside of this, if someone feels they can be an asset to their team with an EOD and isn't disobeying a squad leader, then so be it.

The second circumstance is when the game has become so lopsided that the team is down to one flag or doesn't have any flags. At this point, it is inane to simply stand up and run into a hail of gunfire, mortar, and tank shells. In fact, I think the team has little choice at this point other than to have a large complement of mortar fire and snipers. I think that would be an effective strategy.

Given that there are no Commanders and no global communication (even squad communication is a gamble) I am hard pressed to assert that a person is not "pushing an objective" if they aren't charging the flag with guns a blazing.

**WileECyte** · 04-21-13, 09:15 PM

There isn't going to be a hard & fast ruling about the use of any equipment in the game; however, if your team is down to no flags and you're running around with the EOD bot instead of capturing flags, you're definitely going to be under additional scrutiny by the admins. If you're warned to push an objective, you should do just that. I expect all our admins to weigh each situation individually and make a decision based solely on that individual situation rather than saying "User x is using EOD bot and the team is down to 1 flag = ban".

**Georgerulz111** · 04-22-13, 05:53 AM

I rarely come to this forum and for the most part leave TPG members to their own affairs - However, having known Karl for quite some time now and after seeing how he (and others) use the EOD bot, I think my opinion and analysis of this debate should count for something.

With regards to the perceived similarities drawn between a sniper and an EOD bot operator, the two are not logically comparable: A sniper cannot destroy a tank, break through enemy lines easily (esp. in the Tehran Highway cap out situation cited), kill a target that cannot be visually detected, disarm mines to pave the way for a tank to break through the lines, repair a tank or-... Do I really need to go on?

Obviously the fact that an EOD bot cannon capture a flag is of some concern to all. Consider this - An EOD bot (if used properly) is able to penetrate an enemy line of fire and disrupt the fire of enemies who would otherwise be shooting at advancing troops. Moreover, IT CAN KILL PEOPLE WHO ARE CAMPING CORNERS AND KEY POSITIONS when a human player can't.
I'm actually quite disturbed at the fact that some of you are failing to see the connection between killing people and capturing the flag; it's not like you can just sit on the flag and expect it to go down; killing is required. The EOD bot can do that. The fact that a person's corporeal form may not be on a flag (while a machine controlled by them is present) almost seems like a religious issue for some people... I do not understand this...

On the subject of a player's corporeal form, I would like to address the idea that someone like Karl isn't doing anything when their body is on the ground in one spot. Karl is fanatical about providing a useful spawn point while he is using the EOD bot... It's the same as any other good squad leader except he is actually doing something while he hides. You could say that we should punish people who do not use an EOD bot when they are attempting to provide a spawn point...

While there are other points I could cover, I think that Karl's earlier posts provide a sufficiently cogent defence of the continued use of the EOD bot, unfettered by legislated rules and conditions imposed upon the user.

**Tenrou** · 04-22-13, 07:53 AM

Let me also add that I've been watching Karl play since 3-4 weeks ago when he was on metro doing this for first time I've ever seen. Which is funny since that has no armor and no other benefit than simply killing. Beside the point though I'm trying to make which is this. Since that time he has exclusively done this no matter if his team has 1 flag or all of them. Any team player knows the difference between the two. I wouldn't have a problem with his use of EOD if it was simply to jump in it take out tank and jump back out like I do with MAV. The fact is he stays in it for an excess amount of time all the time. Which is very harmful in low flag count situations.

Highway was the breaking point for me and I was tired of watching him troll. In fact the next round he was doing it again on peak. Every time I watched the EOD bot get killed another came zooming in. So unless the idea was make us run out bullets it had zero effect. That didn't make him stop though and make him maybe try something different. Again when I'm getting sniped relentlessly I change my tactic (go counter snipe/find new path). Him on the other hand would rather sit in the EOD bot and preserve that KDR. That all it looks like to me a way to pad your KDR and call it team play. This has less to do about an EOD and more do with a player who to me is stat whoring on TPG property. Hence why I posted him in problem player thread. Then this kinda (my fault too) go more about EOD bot use.

**Georgerulz111** · 04-22-13, 08:14 PM

I'm sorry but the idea that "EOD bot + lots of kills = stat padding" just makes no sense. So what if he gets a brilliant K/D ratio? Why be bitter about it? It's not like he's doing anything that the game's mechanics don't allow, and it's not like he can't be killed.

You're making a number of assumptions about his conduct which are quite unfounded - Such as:
- "Him [you mean 'He'] on the other hand would rather sit in the EOD bot and preserve that KDR."
- You say he is "stat whoring on TPG property"
- "tired of watching him troll" (assuming that he's trolling...)

"This has less to do about an EOD and more do with a player who to me is stat whoring on TPG property." - So if this is nothing but a petty grievance with Karl, why has this turned into a debate about the legality of the EOD bot?

**SourceSkills** · 04-22-13, 09:51 PM

Look guys we have the resolution to this issue already. Any further debate is pretty much considered moot.

I'm glad to see we still have some passion for the game though :P

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**Tenrou** · 04-22-13, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Georgerulz111

I'm sorry but the idea that "EOD bot + lots of kills = stat padding" just makes no sense. So what if he gets a brilliant K/D ratio? Why be bitter about it? It's not like he's doing anything that the game's mechanics don't allow, and it's not like he can't be killed.

You're making a number of assumptions about his conduct which are quite unfounded - Such as:
- "Him [you mean 'He'] on the other hand would rather sit in the EOD bot and preserve that KDR."
- You say he is "stat whoring on TPG property"
- "tired of watching him troll" (assuming that he's trolling...)

"This has less to do about an EOD and more do with a player who to me is stat whoring on TPG property." - So if this is nothing but a petty grievance with Karl, why has this turned into a debate about the legality of the EOD bot?

And your assuming he isn't (also if he or anyone does this from base they pretty much can't be killed). No one knows but Karl. I've said it already it's my perception of what is going on. Let the admin decide if I'm right or wrong. I'm also not bitter about his KDR lol. I am upset though that he can't see when the situation dictates to get out of the EOD and try take a flag for his team.

**cornfuse** · 04-22-13, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tenrou

Let me also add that I've been watching Karl play since 3-4 weeks ago when he was on metro doing this for first time I've ever seen. Which is funny since that has no armor and no other benefit than simply killing. Beside the point though I'm trying to make which is this. Since that time he has exclusively done this no matter if his team has 1 flag or all of them. Any team player knows the difference between the two. I wouldn't have a problem with his use of EOD if it was simply to jump in it take out tank and jump back out like I do with MAV. The fact is he stays in it for an excess amount of time all the time. Which is very harmful in low flag count situations.

Highway was the breaking point for me and I was tired of watching him troll. In fact the next round he was doing it again on peak. Every time I watched the EOD bot get killed another came zooming in. So unless the idea was make us run out bullets it had zero effect. That didn't make him stop though and make him maybe try something different. Again when I'm getting sniped relentlessly I change my tactic (go counter snipe/find new path). Him on the other hand would rather sit in the EOD bot and preserve that KDR. That all it looks like to me a way to pad your KDR and call it team play. This has less to do about an EOD and more do with a player who to me is stat whoring on TPG property. Hence why I posted him in problem player thread. Then this kinda (my fault too) go more about EOD bot use.

You know what's funny? I wrote a pretty long post in order to explain the exact tactics behind the bot on those two maps. Huge, actually. It might be longer than my first post. But you know what? I don't think it would really make a bit of difference, so I'm posting this instead. I shouldn't have to come to the forums to explain my every single action on the server. I shouldn't be micromanaged just because I am using a tactic that gets under somebody else's skin. But feel free to continue to libel at your leisure. I wouldn't want you to use that time for anything unproductive like figuring out an anti-bot strategy.

I'm done. See you guys in game.