Thread: Premature HC vs Normal Mode Feeler (BF4)

Originally Posted by dex71

Absofreakinglutely.

The health regeneration is absolute bs. Along with the little triangles over everyone's dome and the kill cam. They all must go.

I just want warn you guys. Hardcore was the least popular game mode in BF3 by almost 3:1 ratio. Keep in mind that hardcore also means that some perk trees will be broken as well perks for armor/aircraft. Not to mention weapon balance goes straight out the window.

Health regen doesn't start w/out the perk till after 10 seconds. Any damage taken while regen is active stops the process. I really don't see big deal with 3D spotting it encourages people to actually freaking spot for the team. Kill cam all it does is show in orange and focus in on that person so unless you're camping it really doesn't hinder you at all. It also only last for like 2 seconds which means no one can follow you unless you're camping.

I noticed last night in battlelog that they have an option to only pull up servers with custom settings now. The new search parameters are under advanced search options. I HIGHLY doubt there will be many people that will only want play custom rules. Even if they are more BF traditional. Our only hope for custom would be word of mouth and promoting.

If we stick to normal we get a huge player base to work with. We get proper weapon balance. We get a fully working perk system. At the expense of what some barely noticeable health regen and 3D spotting? Seems silly to give up important things like weapon balance just so people can't health regen or put marker over your head.

PS: 2 servers have never worked here and I've been around since 2007. Always been waste of resources and don't know why we always do it thinking "this time will be different."

Friendly fire?

"Barely noticable" my ass. The health regen is a deal-breaker for me. Lame as all shit, and promotes hiding rather than pushing objectives, as well as making the Medic kit all but useless.

I bet we will be just fine population wise with HC, just as we were with BF3. We'll have to see the changes in the browser, but hopefully we will be able to populate with custom settings, as that would be ideal.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Friendly fire?

It would have be off unless DICE has changed anything since BF3. Not exactly bad thing since it's rather frustrating to die because someone can't drive or aim. Also if the beta is anything go off of C4 can't be given from ammo boxes so it limits C4 spamming.

Originally Posted by dex71

"Barely noticable" my ass. The health regen is a deal-breaker for me. Lame as all shit, and promotes hiding rather than pushing objectives, as well as making the Medic kit all but useless.

So if I sit on a health box waiting for my health be 100% I'm not pushing the objective? Normal or HC campers will still camp. Health regen doesn't give them a huge edge. Also heath bags regen 5 health a tick vs 1 you get from health regen.

Originally Posted by dex71

I bet we will be just fine population wise with HC, just as we were with BF3. We'll have to see the changes in the browser, but hopefully we will be able to populate with custom settings, as that would be ideal.

I don't understand mentality of breaking so many others things just so someone can't regen health a 1 HP a tick. It's like burning your house down because you found a garden snake inside your home.

3:1 ratio hardly means anything if you are talking about even 3000:1000 people. We just need to make sure we are the TOP hardcore server.

Custom setting I'm in and if HC I'll take my ball and play elsewhere.

Here's a thought, seeing how this will be BF4s A days. What about a normal and hardcore server?

For once Tenrou I have to agree with you. The guy is making perfect sense here and I couldn't have said it better myself and believe me I was just about to say it. After playing an enormous amount of time already in the beta I have concluded that my and Tenrous line of thinking is logically sound.

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Originally Posted by SpiritOfF1re

If anythings a deal breaker for me in vanilla it'd be the 3d spotting thing. The Regen is too slow to make a difference, if I have low hp in HC I'm going to go look for a medic, if I'm low HP in vanilla I'll advance slow and careful since I know my HP is at least improving slowly.

As for killcam, I rarely get good info out of it...it only works if your opponent is camping/defending, I don't remember an instance where I died to someone, then immediately went on a revenge tangent to go kill him back. I usually opt to spawn on my SL or aim for an objective.

That said, I really cant decide which mode I prefer...I feel vanilla is a bit more fun due to the need to aim and burst fire, which I never do in HC, I mostly just hipfire to good effect

I really don't see the issue with 3d spotting. The cover system in place balances it out so that 1. The HUD isn't cluttered and 2. So it isn't overpowered. You can even counter it if you are on the uptake like that.

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