Fire Discipline - learn it or get punished.

**Gamma** · 01-08-08, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by GoreZiad

Agreed, this can become hot. Accidents happen, and should therefore not be punished. That punish button is mainly for getting the real TKers out of the server.

I've never figured why the developers didn't just made it like the good ol' 1942. You shoot a friendly, you loose a point or 2. End of story. There's no good things in wether a person decides to punish a guy or not for whatever reason. It's only a subject for flaming eachother. Think about how many times you get punished for something completely accidental.
It just ain't right to let people decide whose fault it is themselves, 1: they can never know 2. 'cause there's just too many kids and morons out there.

I say get rid of it, and let the server/game punish you, so you can continue playing without getting mad or being flamed.

Actually, a TK, punished or not, drops you 4 team points, damage costs you 2 for 50% (so to TK someone from full HP is -8 points).

**ElFuriosoGato** · 01-08-08, 09:04 AM

This is more likely to happen inside of buildings because the gui shows friendly names through walls so people might see the name but think they are on the other side of the wall and open up, albeit he should have been more cautious, it happens, I've done it, I've had it happen to me, punish doesn't help anybody even if it was slopiness.

**GoreZiad** · 01-08-08, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Gamma

Actually, a TK, punished or not, drops you 4 team points, damage costs you 2 for 50% (so to TK someone from full HP is -8 points).

Yep. So why is the option to punish there?

**(4)manno** · 01-08-08, 09:56 AM

I think people should use the "Sorry" button more often. I notice it more with the experienced players...for me, it goes a long way. I don't punish often and when I do it is more often out of frustration or my lack of anger management, than anything else.

Example: I hate running across a large map, neutralizing a flag, then hoisting our flag up 3/4 of the way, only to be tked by a jet whore who didn't realize the flag was going to our side. Typically, without a "Sorry" notice on the scroll board to show me that the pilot realized he made a mistake and may be more conscience of his actions next time, I might very well in a moment of pissed off rage, PUNISH. That being said, if I see he also killed a few bad guys with his bombs I let it slide even without a "Sorry". But it wouldn't hurt to say it!

**SapiensErus** · 01-08-08, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by GoreZiad

Originally Posted by Gamma

Actually, a TK, punished or not, drops you 4 team points, damage costs you 2 for 50% (so to TK someone from full HP is -8 points).

Yep. So why is the option to punish there?

A certain number of punishes in one round = automated ban.

**WolverineBrother** · 01-08-08, 11:21 AM

I occasionally get a case of "uniform confusion" and shoot a friendly (all though usually I just get shot by an enemy, thinking he's friendly). It will look like an intentional TK, but isn't. I say I'm sorry, but I can understand it if I'm punished...

As for punishing, like Manno said, it depends on my level of frustration. Normally I'm an auto forgive kinda guy, but sometimes I just get so pissed I have to vent, when I'm killed by some dumbass who should have known better.

**Boneyard72** · 01-08-08, 11:29 AM

I have really worked on my fire discipline. I have also worked on recognizing the enemies uniforms. But I still end up TKing a squad member every few maps or so. Last evening (this morning), I TKed LA Merc. I shot him right in the face. An enemy was chasing me, I turned a corner, LA was in front of me and I turned around to try to suprise the enemy and give him a face full of lead. I come back around the corner, the enemy runs past me, I tun around, LA Merc comes around the corner and falls prone. I mistake LA for the enemy and let him have it! Very embarrassing!!! Nothing like killing your SL! I apologized profusely.
In your case Clintock, that guy was more than new....I believe he intentionly TKed you. No sorry? No apologies?

**Muqtar SGT_Clintok** · 01-08-08, 11:30 AM

I am going off memory here, but I believe that I was hitting page down to say no way man, which is the only way to get off any communication while someone is shooting at you. It was sloppiness on the other persons part.

What got me steamed is that afterwards, this person took the time to type out several lines of cursing me up one side and down the other. A simple "Sorry man" would have made it water under the bridge. If you believe that throwing a fit is justified after being punished, then this comment obviously does not apply.

Originally Posted by DoubleFISTIN

I was not there.

It happens. Some people get trigger happy. Big deal. It happens to everyone.

BUT if a friendly comes between me and an enemy, I will aim for the enemy and if you come between us and get killed, so be it. Regular team players will forgive and NOOBS will punish. It happens all the time.

I have killed team mates who spawn in the right place at the wrong time. OPPS. My bad. Sorry. It happens.

I bring up the bird flu and you come out against chick pox. I think you missed it. The implication that 'Noobs' punish and the regular players get over it doesn't make me blink for a second, and it isn't accurate.

I was fairly specific about what happened, and the scope of my concern is related to sloppiness. I didn't mention a baddie between two friendlies, or spawning at the wrong place at the wrong time. I mentioned a person walking up on a firefight that was over, and then out of LACK OF FIRE DISCIPLINE teamkilling me.

What I didn't share was that afterwards, instead of saying 'sorry man', this person commenced to cursing me out. Took plenty of time to chew me out, and didn't give an ounce of thought to saying sorry.
Since I didn't mention this the first time around, I will defer any further comment.

Last comment: Dre, yes I have accidently shot at friendlies. In the event that accidently wound, or kill a friendly, I apologize, whether or not they punish me. The person's reaction to getting punished was not good.

**TheJeep1** · 01-08-08, 12:01 PM

Some pilots don't care who is at a flag and will just bomb the whole area and let the bombs sort them out. These people should always be punished IMO.

There seems to be a bad practice on the server at times of "I'm going to save the day" and either a commander will drop arty or a pilot will bomb the whole area. LET THE SQUADS FIGHT IT OUT ON THE GROUND!!! If your side looses the battle around the flag then come back and bomb the poop outta them. If you see a squad leader spotting a tank, APC, ect....then it usually means they need to help, otherwise back off.