Thread: Fire Discipline - learn it or get punished.

Originally Posted by TheJeep1

Some pilots don't care who is at a flag and will just bomb the whole area and let the bombs sort them out. These people should always be punished IMO.

There seems to be a bad practice on the server at times of "I'm going to save the day" and either a commander will drop arty or a pilot will bomb the whole area. LET THE SQUADS FIGHT IT OUT ON THE GROUND!!! If your side looses the battle around the flag then come back and bomb the poop outta them. If you see a squad leader spotting a tank, APC, ect....then it usually means they need to help, otherwise back off.

You know Thejeep1, your comments I might take to heart. I noticed this week, top Pilots with HEAVY negative ASSIST scores but Number one player score and gold metals to boot.... and I clearly recall me being a part of the HEAVY NEGATIVE ASSIST score.

I'm going to put a little more thought into it, but I think your going in the right direction, as 75% of me being team killed is though Jet bombs... But like you say, I dont think they care one bit, as their scores will still go through the roofs. Lets see what the fly guys have to say first....

As one that flies quite a bit, I will be the first to say, and if you've been in my squad you will hear me say, "I deserved that" if I dropped a bomb on an area where there were friendlies and I get punished. I will tell you right now, I do not do it on purpose. I fly almost exclusively as a medic so I know where casualties are taking place and if I see a lot of death markers on the map and I am in the vacinity I will bomb that target. The problem comes in when my timing is off and friendlies respawn on that flag. By then it is too late. When a flag is being hotley contested and there are more death markers than friendlies, which to me means there is a large force there, then I will drop bombs to keep them from capping the flag.

There are also times when a flag has just gone neutral and you drop your bombs and see no friendlies and low and behold there was one or two and you get punished.

The one thing that does irk me when I am punished is when the person that punishes me is in my squad and they are marking armor and the bomb drop results in a tk or when enemy armor is attacking the uncap and keeping it down. This happened to me on Fushee a while back and I was punished for a tk while the armor was decimating everyone at the uncap and no one was able to take it down. I came in took it out with bombs and tk'd someone that was there and I get a punish. My first thought was, "Fine you deal with it next time and get killed 10 times in a row like you just did."

One more thing that you need to keep in mind. For some reason many of the bombers have been glitching as of late and when the bombadier launches his LGM it is not taking out his target and it resulting in collateral tk's. This is definately not intentional on the bombadiers part.

Nothing makes me feel worse than taking out a friendly groundpounder and I spam the heck out of the "sorry's" when I do.

Originally Posted by w4jchosen

As one that flies quite a bit, I will be the first to say, and if you've been in my squad you will hear me say, "I deserved that" if I dropped a bomb on an area where there were friendlies and I get punished. I will tell you right now, I do not do it on purpose. I fly almost exclusively as a medic so I know where casualties are taking place and if I see a lot of death markers on the map and I am in the vacinity I will bomb that target. The problem comes in when my timing is off and friendlies respawn on that flag. By then it is too late. When a flag is being hotley contested and there are more death markers than friendlies, which to me means there is a large force there, then I will drop bombs to keep them from capping the flag.

There are also times when a flag has just gone neutral and you drop your bombs and see no friendlies and low and behold there was one or two and you get punished.

The one thing that does irk me when I am punished is when the person that punishes me is in my squad and they are marking armor and the bomb drop results in a tk or when enemy armor is attacking the uncap and keeping it down. This happened to me on Fushee a while back and I was punished for a tk while the armor was decimating everyone at the uncap and no one was able to take it down. I came in took it out with bombs and tk'd someone that was there and I get a punish. My first thought was, "Fine you deal with it next time and get killed 10 times in a row like you just did."

One more thing that you need to keep in mind. For some reason many of the bombers have been glitching as of late and when the bombadier launches his LGM it is not taking out his target and it resulting in collateral tk's. This is definately not intentional on the bombadiers part.

Nothing makes me feel worse than taking out a friendly groundpounder and I spam the heck out of the "sorry's" when I do.

W4jchosen, true I have been blasted by you several times from the Air, but also true that I ALWAYS can recall an apology response from you afterwards. Which tells me, that you were there for a reason other than to bomb my ass; you were there to resolve a threat that was probalby more than I could have handled either elone or with my squad.

You are a reasonable player with good intents. I ALWAYS forgive you buddy! But man does it put a damper on the day, after a long hard run across the hot desert (or hilly island)..... killing EVERYTHING insight, just to be blasted.

I've just got to learn to time my approach with yours (and others). Then there will no stopping us then!

You know, I'm no perfect player. I can recall too many times, just within the past week, where I have blown up friendly with grenades, claymores, or at mines. Hell, I shot one friendly in the calf yesterday and almost killed him.

Now, the Claymores and AT mines, I've learned to position those in ares where I attempt to predict only enemy casualties will result, and on occasion, they end up right in the middle of things, blasting friendlies, enemy, EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY... and that concerns me.

So with grenades, I've found myself accidentially team killing while tossing a grenande into a large area of friendly who have just been killed; enemy still running around tea bagging. Before you know it, some HERO medic (gotta love them) comes running out of the bushes and starts to revive everyone; and in that split second my attempt to continue to eliminate the remaining enemy, then revive my friendly has just turned into a costly mistake. I had good intents, just limited forsight.

I have learned something in this particular thread; I have learned that we may all be making the same type of mistakes or assumptions resulting in friendly damage or killing. I'll do my best to take this knowledge to the Virtual battlefield.

Boneyard72, I did the same thing to the GMG for the same reasons you did to your friendly. I was chasing down a Squad (seamed like 50 guys) and accidentially blasted GMG right in the face as he was crouthced down in their spawn point... I apologized and he forgave. I can only blame that one on the heat of the battle.

Muqtar SGT_Clintok, this incident seems very familiar to me in fact this just might have been me and if it was I do apologize for the team kill.

Now for my side of the story though. I also followed a baddie into that building who was right behind you (or someone else because this might actually be entirely different incidents though I doubt it). I gunned down the enemy and then out from behind him pops another person who fired a few rounds at me (or maybe at the enemy that lay slain between us) and I returned fire. It is an extreme exaggeration to even think that more than a second elapsed (much less "several seconds") before the few rounds returned in your direction killed you. I was equipped as a medic and immediately dove to revive you but in the process I got creamed with a grenade before I could revive you. We would have both died anyway so go figure.

What you describe as undisciplined is your opinion from your vantage point and from mine all I know is that I faced an enemy who fired at me and I returned fire. You of course probably didn't mean to hit me with your bullets because your bullets only ever hit enemies because you are "disciplined". My hat is off to you. Hope we meet on the battlefield under better terms and please be a little less trigger happy on the page down button because I assure you that you do and have killed many others in the same manner you described above. I promise to be more careful but I will curse the dog shit out of you and anyone else that decides to punish before thinking or even waiting an actual "several seconds" for an apology before you hand out punishment. Keep in mind that when you are dead, as I was almost the split second after you died that you can not say "Sorry" until your 15 second timer has elapsed (unless there is some trick I have not learned yet.

By the way, I took a -4 hit for that team kill because you only had a sliver of health left. Also, if you were in my squad you most definitely would not have seen the typed text of me cursing you because I would have blasted you over the mic for being a jackass and on the other hand I would have also promptly and emphatically expressed my apologies.

Hmmm very curious about this. The person who killed me was out BACK of the building. I killed an enemy in the building and the building appeared empty.

The guy (friendly) BEHIND the building came around the corner and sprayed at me. I took hits and stood there. I (believe) I hit page down repeatedly. The guy looked at me and then more gun fire. In reality it was probably one in a string of page downs, but none the less, the killer was getting punished.

Possible theory?
If you were inside the building is it possible you were behind me taking fire from the other guy out back. Shooting back killing me? The was a guy out back facing into the building who walked up and shot at me.

It would be nice to see it in battlerecorder.

Perhaps you can put yourself in my shoes. I see someone come up on a firefight that is over, fire.... wait..... fire again teamkilling me. I punish and then rather than taking your lumps like a man, you respond with "You fucking shot me first" and "YOU GODDAMN FUCKING ASSHOLE". Of course I will take issue with that response. You mentioned a 15 second delay where you couldn't say sorry, but had no problem typing out a brash response.

If we cannot see eye to eye and talk it out, then lets agree it was different from my point of view than it was from yours. I do not think that there is any point of view where lashing out like that is anything other than trash. That said - there are no cursing limits on here, and I can't stop you from throwing a fit when anger grips you.

got to go with forgive the noobs and Punish the real TKers. I Threw a grenade yesterday on PR server hit the back of a friendly and killed 5 including myself. I got punished for all of them, even the nubb that stepped in front of me that I hit. Play smart check your fire and remember in the heat of the moment even you can TK by accident.


zal

As a regular transport chopper pilot on Zatar Wetlands on the Project Reality server, I do have to say some teamkills aren't even the result of firing a weapon.

A MESSAGE FROM YOUR LOCAL SEAHAWK PILOTS: PLEASE DON'T SIT/STAND/KNEEL/CLIMB/WALK/RUN OR JUMP ON TOP OF/ UNDERNEATH/BESIDE/BEHIND/OR IN FRONT OF A HELICOPTER WHEN IT IS WAITING FOR PASSENGERS/REPAIRING/RESUPPLYING/OR WARMING UP THE ENGINES. ALSO, WHEN EXITING OR ENTERING A TRANSPORT HELICOPTER PLEASE EXIT/ENTER STRAIGHT TO/AWAY FROM DOORS. DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, WALK ALONG THE SIDES OF A CHOPPER BEFORE/AFTER ENTERING/EXITING FROM A CHOPPER. WE DON'T LIKE GETTING TEAMKILLS AND YOU DON'T LIKE DIEING.