Question

**jmw_man** · 04-16-08, 11:47 AM

Here's a scenario: You are out on the battle field with your squad mates. Your squad has the job of defending the building while you cap the flag. Four of the 6 members of your squad are on the inside of the building, 2 are on the roof. Many enemy troops have come running through the door. You are the automatic rifleman and you are in charge of guarding the door. You have killed many, one after another as they came charging through the door. Some time passes and then you notice something. Due to the glitch associated with the fact that PR is a computer game, the elbow of an enemy troop seemed to temporarily go through the wall. It was moving slow so the enemy must be up to something. (by the way, this really happened to me) You are thinking that the enemy might try to peak his head arround to take a shot so you are ready. Then......you see his hand wave out and a nade was let loose right in front of you, WHAT DO YOU DO? WHAT DO YOU DO?

You know in real life and some past instances, military serviceman have thrown their bodies on top of some of these nades to save entire squads. Many of these serviceman have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. In the game however, if you jumped on it, would it only blow you up?

This is what I did: I JUMPED TO MY FEET AND CHARGED FOR THE DOOR AND TURNED LEFT, I SAW TWO ENEMY SOLDIERS, ONE WAS LOW CRAWLING DOWN THE STAIRS AND THE OTHER OPENED FIRE ON ME. I UNLEASHED MY AUTOMATIC RIFLE ON THE LOW CRAWLER TILL HIS BODY WAS LIFELESS AND CONTINUED TO DO THE SAME TO THE SOLDIER WHO OPENED FIRE ON ME. I WAS MOVING NON-STOP DURING THIS SHORT BATTLE AS I SPRINTED DOWN THE STAIRS WITH MY AUTOMATIC RIFLE BLAZING AND SPRINTED BACK UP WITH LITTLE INJURIES.

In real life, charging out the door like that would be suicide and it would probably be better to just jump on the nade.

**Blakeman** · 04-16-08, 01:18 PM

Good thing this is a game. Same goes for all those APCs that are used like mini tanks....

**belial8256** · 04-16-08, 07:25 PM

Certainly, i'm not an expert in explosives, ordnance, or their defusal, but it seems like it could be possible for the blast to go straight through your noble body and still potentially mortally wound your mates.

What would i have done? Probably ran for cover from the grenade whilst letting my teammates on the roof know the situation so they can neutralize the threat. If that were possible. If not? hmm that requires more thought on my part.

**jmw_man** · 04-16-08, 07:38 PM

Another option I had would be to stand up and sprint up the stairs which were right next to me. However, I knew the squad leader was in the blast area and wasn't sure if he would be able to get away from it as well, he has a few steps further to run to and I yelled out "NADE" into my mic but knew that he wouldn't receive the threat warning fast enough. We did have a medic and I can't remember where he was, he might have been in the stairway. This was a week or so ago, I can't remember the details, but running outside with my automatic rifle blasting away at those two guys and killing them gave me a huge adrenaline rush!!

**Atrovenator** · 04-16-08, 07:38 PM

Best answer is to put something on the nade and lie on it. Throwing yourself on a grenade is noble sacrifice, but it's better if you can crawl away to get all the free beers afterwards.

I think it was a royal marine who took a grenade and crawled out. Gave him a bloody nose and a concussion, but his rucksack absorbed all of the blast. The best explanation for an explosion is something getting really big, really fast. I think you'd be more successful on a fragmentary device vs. others, too, since whatever thick, tough surface you've put on it, the slower the fragments will accelerate.

Granted, I really hope I'm never faced with that situation. I believe he also tripped the trap that dropped the frag in the first place, and felt a degree of responsibility.

'Damn Lucky' at any rate.

Additionally, if the enemy troops that were outside didn't kill you first, then they were retarded. You don't try and rack up kills with frags, but rather use them to force defenders into much weaker cover, where you can pin them down. Or in this case, right out of the cover. Appears they weren't ready or were distracted. I've noticed in PR that throwing a grenade around a corner can actually give -you- the suppressed effect, which is stupid. Potentially what happened tho.

**belial8256** · 04-16-08, 07:46 PM

Ahh you see that lay out of this building escapes me. To me it sounds like the building in Sunset City that you can use to cap the Construction site flag with. (which is that same building lay out of the building in Mashtuur City that over looks the flag/court yard at Mosque in BF2 Vanilla).

If that were the case, and since we can't use objects to absorb the grenade blast (which is a shame because that would be so bitchin'), it seems like there are two options to avoid dying. Either
A) run up to the roof.
B) run out to the steps.

To be honest i'd probably run up stairs.
But if i had to run out to the steps, i'd fire a few rounds first to suppress those guys who were so close.

**jmw_man** · 04-16-08, 07:53 PM

You know, whenever I think about project reality, I think about how unreal it is. Don't get me wrong, they did a good job on the game but that's exactly what it is, a game. You know in real life, a person can find cover much easier than in the game, in game a player just stands out way too much than he would in real life. Second, the way a person moves in real life is so unlimited unlike PR, in PR, there's only one way to throw a nade. I understand that it would be impossible to make a game or any program for that matter to accomplish the task of making it totally realistic. Just once, I want the ability to throw a nade around a corner of a wall or doorway.

In real life, what would happen if you took your kevlar helmet off and covered the nade with it and then sat on your kevlar helmet? Just curious.

In PR, we don't have the ability to put something on the nade do we? NM answered.

In PR, has anybody ever tried placing their torso on top of a nade to see if others nearby receive the blast as well?

You are right belial, it was sunset city.

**belial8256** · 04-17-08, 12:07 AM

it would be very interesting if we could get that too work. I know that BF2142(and by extension, probably BF2) registers differing explosive effects (between say fragmentation and c4). For the frag grenades any cover in the right direction should absorb all of the blast. But with say rdx (c4), its a blast radius that pushes past most barriers if there is a way to.

As for PR's unrealism, i notice it more in the terrain. Particularly in the dense forests...if only there were more underbrush....

I do love the tall grass and fields they've implemented though.

But i digress. Yeah, it'd be awesome if you could move objects to create cover.

I think that six strapping young marines/RA/PLA/MEC/military force dudes should be able to hunch together and move say, a car or a trash bin for small arms cover.

**Blakeman** · 04-17-08, 06:56 AM

It would be nice to be able to move objects other than vehciles in PR. Then in that sunset city map we would have put the couches and tables in that room in front of the door, or closed the door to give some cover and an obstacle.

I dont think you could get your kevlar helmet off fast enough in order to do that. You would have to undo the chin strap, pull it off your head and then make the aim. US helmets arent flat either so you might have the blast force push you as it escapes through the gaps. Either way I dont think you would have the time to get the helmet over it, but it would interesting to see what happens in a controlled environment.