Thread: ATTENTION SQUAD LEADERS/CHOPPER WHORES

First, Rank means nothing because Most top 50 players are snobs/a$$holes/non-teamplayer/"I fly jet every round and screw you I'll tk you if I don't get it". That's bad reason #1 for putting down TTP. If GMG doesn't want to play here its his right. Just so you know I've taken down his squad countless times, good competition but I've also seen him say "Screw it my team sucks" and then switch just because of losing.

Second, Rank will always mean nothing because! being a 3 star general doesn't make you good at the game. I know lots of 3 stars that suck and there is a 4 star that plays on TTP occasionally named Hei675 or something like that, and he sucks and is a team switching Noob who can't take the heat.

Third, The [NME] guys are a cool group of players. It took me a month to even get them to communicate with me. They only want to play with [NME] squad members most of the time and don't care to team play with anyone else, usually they leave squads that populate or when you ask them for orders like I have. Of course I like them but they def. aren't an elite group of team play or elite for that matter. I'd rather play with with random people any day.

Fourth*, The Quality hasn't dropped. Every time I run a squad I get the same response or I kick people until I get the quality I want. Its your fault and lack of effort that ends you up with a group of people who don't want to work together. Be assertive and aggressive or just deal with what you got.

Finally, Civil wars is a great team player. He usually uses a different alias in game but he has been around forever (As long as I can remember playing TTP) and he does a good job. You can't bash his squad leading ability until you bash his squad in game and beat them to the punch whenever you encounter them. Of course keep in mind _Get_Some_Buddy you are also a great squad leader and besides complaining about your pessimistic approach in this topic I have nothing bad to say.

Originally Posted by Kelderos

First, Rank means nothing. Most top 50 players are snobs/a$$holes/non-teamplayer/"I fly jet every round and screw you I'll tk you if I don't get it". That's bad reason #1 for putting down TTP. If GMG doesn't want to play here its his right. Just so you know I've taken down his squad countless times, good competition but I've also seen him say "Screw it my team sucks" and then switch just because of losing.

Second, Rank means nothing. Just because your a 3 star general doesn't make you good at the game. I know lots of 3 stars that suck and there is a 4 star that plays on TTP occasionally named Hei675 or something like that, and he sucks and is a team switching Noob who can't take the heat.

Hey, you said the same point twice. WHAT ARE YA STUPID OR SOMETHING?!?!?

Rank does actually mean something; that's only if you're a 4 star general. It takes a lot to become a 4 star general, so obviously you have to be doing something right for a month.

BACK TO THE CRUX OF THE MATTER: HIM 'EM TAMATO!:

I think that Budday and MaBell both bring up valid points. Sitting in a boat at the mouth of the creek/river/lake/whatever serves really no point. Very rarely are you going to see infantry or even anyone for that matter trying to escape via a river. If you're going to see something, it's going to be an APC. Good luck: boat vs APC.

The Commander does know best. However, ordering someone to sit in a boat for 5 minutes is actually waste of a resource. If someone decides to sit in a boat by himself, then that's his choice. But having someone sit in a boat is like not using an extra weapon. If the commander thinks that the person in the boat is "good" enough to shoot people, then they should be used on offense. Defense should only be used at key points, such as TV station, Refinery, Intake, Airfield, and other pivotal points.

HOWEVER, MaBell's experience as commander speaks for itself. As he has pointed out, he spends a lot of time commanding, so following his advice is probably a good idea. He's not about to the points, he's about the winning. He's probably the epitome of a Texas Team Player. He's also spent considerable amount of time SLing, so he knows the ins and outs of a flag. I'm sure he's a great SL and one person may come into the squad shaped like jello, however at the end of his playing day, he'll be carved out of wood. Good SLing rubs off on the squadmates.

THE QUALITY OF TTP has not dwindled in any way. TTP is still as competitive as it was when I first joined both the server and the forums. Sure, there are hackers that make life difficult for regs and TTP itself, but other than that it's a clean game. SLs like DoubleFISTIN and (4)manno always bring teamplay to the TTP table. They (as far as I know) don't really care about stats, it's all about the flag cappin' and leadin' the team to victory attitude.

I DID NOT KNOW that TTP has made clans such as NME and LUMP leave. Please correct if I got that wrong. That just proves that NME and LUMP did not have the TTP mental attitude.

THE BOTTOM LINE is that Commanding by giving specific orders can be effective, however there is a line that should not be crossed. Arbitrary orders such as sitting in a boat doesn't really help the team. However, holding spawn and spawning green are what helps the team. This goes back to Major Brass and Klaus. Klaus ordered him to bail out to take a flag; at least have a fighting chance. If MaBell were the commander, he would have thrown a fit because he denied commander orders. MaBell runs a tight commanding and SLing ship. Following orders is paramount as both these positions. If the SL orders people to bail out, get in, spawn a certain kit, defend this point, go to this place, or whatever, then the squad should follow it, no matter who's SL.

Well I didn't enter into this topic with the intention of being pessimistic and insulting people, but that is certainly what I ended up doing. And I am no-one's spokesperson, but was making observations that seem valid to me. Take them or leave them. I'm happy to debate opinions or facts, but I don't like personal attacks any more than anyone else, whether directed at me or anyone else for that matter.

I'm done with this topic, in the interest of cleansing my karma, I hope if I have insulted anyone in error you can accept my apology (not really because you may or may not deserve it under the particular circumstances, but because I believe it is the wrong thing to do. It really never helps, and that is actually why I posted on this topic in the first place, ironically).

Good luck next round of PR, Bravo I will avoid your squad and maybe accept your challenge. You are still welcome in my squad though, I don't want my video game time turned into a soap opera. I have in-laws for that.

hmm, well this 5 month old thread certainly took an interesting turn, to an extent

none of us ever claimed to be great, and certainly hope you could survive without us :P

i'm sorry if it seemed like it took a month for anyone to feel like we communicated with them...obviously from a few other supportive posts, we do tend to keep radio chatter to a minimum in order to get a better sense of the surroundings, that whole 'situational awareness' doo-hickey (alot of you would be amazed at how something as little as being able to pick out m16 gunfire when youre mec/pla with an ak can tell you that enemy are nearby...similarly is why i personally play with default player voices, ie, usmc sound like americans, pla sound chinese, mec sound middle eastern and if this little blurb in parenthesis doesnt seem to make sense, i am more than happy to address/explain it :P ). but that should be neither here nor there, as most often in the very least we use the built-in command markers (attack/move/defend/etc here), which seem pretty straight forward in terms of what the orders are heck, one of my favorite and most efficient and effective SL's i've played with (enumae-k), i think i can count the times i've heard him speak on one hand

i'm sorry that we like to play with friends, but isnt that what adds to playing games fun? to assume that we only play with NME and only team play with NME is a little insulting to be honest we take and work with whatever hand we're dealt...we're blind to rank or ability, as long as a genuine effort is being made. we dont lock our squads, we dont kick/exclude anyone either, unless they are a huge drag/dead weight to the squad...i can probably count the times i've kicked SM's on one hand as well :P admittedly there was one time i had to both kick a guy out and lock it to keep him from continually rejoining :P but was completely justified as the guy was being an overall asshat and just spamming voicecomms with insults to the entire squad besides, how is playing with known, quality players any different from "I kick people until I get the quality I want"?...just a matter of cutting to the chase in one case :P

as far as the leaving squads when populated or asking for orders jab...the little squad hopping is usually a rare occasion which occurs in a handful of situations, main one being the initial SL ended up getting an asset, probably an aircraft, so undoubtedly they rotate out as to not take a SL off the ground, then depending on how the squad propagated, the next in-line either doesnt want to be SL or doesnt realize theyre SL...so instead of doing an endless SL rotation loop, it's easiest to just create a new squad with a determined/willing SL...ya dig? unfortunately it seems youve been a victim of one of these situations more often than not i'm sure bravo can attest to this practice, as he has been probably unwittingly forced to be SL a time or two because of it

again, we never claim to be an elite group of team play or elite for that matter, we dont gloat or hype ourselves up...we're just a few guys that like to play for the win and have fun doing it, and have been doing so together, yeesh, for probably a good 10 years now...wow :P funny part is that intrinsically we're not really a clan anymore (not that we were a clan in the classical sense to begin with), much less a bf2 clan...the tag was mainly a remnant of yesteryear, so that we could identify eachother easier on servers in the bold newer, bigger world of bf2 :P (NME's roots are in TFC)

as far as the recent absence is concerned, i hate to demystify any misinformed assumptions...but, gamers are called gamers for a reason...and believe it or not there are other games out there there are numerous posts from others about taking a break from game A to play game B for a while, in addition to even having dedicated nights for "slumming" :P then there's also that game called "real life" that rears its ugly head every once and a while we're no different than anyone else. and who knows...maybe we've just been playing 'incognito' and have been around the entire time... :2 that said, you would be amazed at how chitty people will treat others simply because of the prejudice of it being a new name or low rank ya know, get into the pilot seat of a plane/chopper, only to have the gunner spam "get out" simply because all they see is some 'low ranked noob'...or better yet having the gunner/bomber trying to tell you what to do the entire round, even though youre already doing everything by the book, staying airborne and lining up all the shots...

well i certainly hope that answers/addresses the above latest jabs. i am certainly open minded and happy to explain/discuss any question/comments/whatever else

obviously the talent, tactics and play styles are diverse in the community and what suits one doesnt always necessarily suit the other, which is a good thing because of how it balances out on the battlefield (the deficiency of one, being supported by the strength of another, and vice versa...that whole 'team' concept :P ).

and finally, thanks to the positive comments/support...the feelings are mutual and is appreciated


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and yes, i like to use smiles