Thread: Can the regs and Clans get some new tactics

I mean really I was on the conquest server Friday and low and behold all 5th did the whole round was base rape and sit on roof tops camping. Come on those kind of tactic are for nubs and maybe for newly made soldiers after you retire one.

Now I know the game is to win but regs and server clans should be using inventive new ways to win, not using cheap exploit tactics. Actually allot of servers have made it illegal to base rape uncaps as well as roof top camping. It make the regs look for new ways and really shows the skill of them as well.

Yes I know I can always go to a different server, however I like playing here as you do encourage if not demand that everyone play as a team I like that. I hope you take this seriously and not just act like children and flame it. I would much rather see this server grow and be enjoyed by all that come here.
Just my 2 cents.

P.S. I'm sure the flaming will come regardless of my above statement as some obviously like kiddie tactics.

If you dont want this to be flamed you should really be more considerate in the way you write. You should be ashamed of yourself if base raping bothers you. Find where they spawn, take out the beacon and thats it. noob tactics work on people who dont know any better.

Wait i'm confused...were the 5th guys using exploits
Also, you make it sound like this happens often on this map(or that its down by the 5th in particular alot), which one were you referring to?

Also, on this server, maps are played twice in a row. You have the chance to repay those base raping sons of bitches back for everyone of those nade, rocket, etc. kills.

The regs performing this base rape are more than likely following the orders of a commanders orders, or, the enemy team had provided no adequate or sound tactics with which to prevent base raping.

Tactics must be developed on both ends. Why should one side pull their punches?

Take the titan defense for example. More then normally, its a nade storm with sentry guns and rocket compliments. Until the attackers can find a badass way around this defense, the defenders won't alter their strategy (this isn't true. More and more now you will find variable defenses on the titan. This is an adaption on the part of the defenders which throws the attackers, which are stacked outside the corridor, for a massive loop).


All in all, it comes right down to the fact that base raping is allowed. It is the team's responsibility to work together and stop this.

Take for example Leipzeig tonight. I was commander for the PAC. A determined squad came back and started sapping and griefing me. In the time that i had to deal with these guys, and the forces sent back to deal with these ass holes, EU managed to make it past the Bridges, capture main squad and East bridge. They made up a crapload of tickets because a determined squad came back and screwed with the commander. The minor diverting of forces was enough for EU to break my line. But, my squad leaders were awesome and were able to deal, marvelously with the two front war, and quickly destroyed the base rapers and secured our points. We still one, but it was a lot closer than it would have been.

On the same match, the PAC began to base rape the EU uncap. My squad was all the way at main square when this happened. We were about to move to park when my commander notified me. My entire squad quickly spawned back and dealt with the bastards. Again this bought their team the time they needed to get their shit together.

TTP will never make uncaps safe. It just doesn't work. Without the ability to harass the commander, entire games can slow down into a boring slaughter fest.

So start thinking about how to deal with those base raping bastards. I guarantee you, your ability to deal with them will make them think twice about doing it again.

Evolution of tactics through collaboration and teamwork. Thats why these games rock. Thats why TTP is one of the most competitive servers on the net.

First off, thanks for coming and playing on TTP's servers. Welcome to the forums.

Second, there is a topic specifically for problem player complaints. It would be better received and investigated if any complaints about specific players were posted there (to included screenshots if possible and at the very least time range of incident(s), map name(s)).

Third getting on rooftops is not explicitly forbidden unless there is an exploit used attaining the rooftop.

Fourth "base rape" is an acceptable and approved tactic on this server. The battlefield is hell and this virtual representation of the battlefield can be equally hellacious. The reason that this is an acceptable tactic is due to the fact that it takes the enemy commander out of his game and the idea is to win. That is a serious advantage when you can reduce the effectiveness of the commander and/or assets. Commander down or unable to use assets makes the job(s) of the other squad(s) all that much easier. Good tactical advantage.

Fifth there is no such tactic as a cheap tactic. If it works, that means that the other team is not able to counter and/or adapt to said tactic.

Sixth that other servers have chosen to make certain things illegal is entirely up to them, but in my opinion shows that their player base is perhaps not as serious as ours is (no offense meant). we tend to slog it out and either lose because we couldn't overcome a certain tactic that round, or we find a way to negate it.

Seventh I am a bit disappointed that you "expect" to be flamed in the responses. Your post was not offensive and I see no reason to respond in any other way that civilly and on a point by point basis.

Disclaimer - I am a member of the ][5th][, it's true, but we are not the typical players that you might expect to run into on other servers.

Sincerely,

Alundil

Once you read the rules, you will understand that there are no rules against base raping. You have to adapt and overcome your enemies. Everything goes here.
Base raping is a great tactic cause it pisses the enemy off and keeps the commander busy. I'm sure if the situation was in your favor, this post wouldn't exist.


EDIT: I should add here also that base raping allows for you to concentrate on other flags while they are busy in your base. There are ways around scenarios such as these.
I was commanding your side before an EA boot. I ordered everyone away to a far flag before the boot and we were starting to overcome.
It didn't help, before me, that there was a fighting commander which is not tolerated. Keep playing here and you will see that something like this can have the tables turned in an instant if thought out.

On a side note, thank you for posting your problems, concerns and issues.

Its a public forum, and one shouldn't be afraid to say what they feel. Anything less would be...childish.

TTP Plays the game as it was ment to be played, if other people do not like it then they leave and thats how TTP goes, and face it this is how it was ment to be played.

The stratigies are numerous and well thought out, getting many people TO camp in those positions and patrol around flags takes a good amount of coordination and think about it, how hard is it to get some one to run a shoot as opposed to holding a stand still position. These tactics take out the enemy team or distract them from the rest of the fight to allow the other squads an easy moment to take the flags.

Baseraping is something put in the game. Why are the assets destructable? Why are there no guns to stop you from getting in the base? Because EA wants you TO baserape. Servers that make you get in there blow them and get out, think they know how to play it, but why wouldn't EA just put something to stop them? They didn't so they are allowing you to get in there steal some vehicles and cripple enemy. This is even what would happen in real life, what would you do as a real battlefield commander, put ALL your forces on the frontline and lose many, or put most and send a squad to the back base to distract the enemy from iminent danger.

Camping up top and using your surroundings to hold a point is a viable tactic, it allows you to defend a point without hacking, exploiting, or cheating. Defending is a tactic that needs to be done to save tickets, protect a flag from an oncoming rush, or hold a choke point, and think about it defending is basicly camping unless your definition of camping is sitting in one position, camping is remaining in an area not doing anything, BUT defending the flag is legit and not qualified to be called 'camping'. Using rooftops is NOT illegal, and is NOT cheap, you need to be aware of your surroundings and make sure everywhere is clear. Roof tops were availible in BF2 and are here in 2142, if we weren't allowed to be on rooftops there would be somthing stoping that.

Being able to counter, baserape, rooftops, camping and all those things, requires skill and TEAMWORK to accomplish and makeing a server rule to stop those things just shows how NON-Teamplayer those servers are. It takes skill to counter all of those things and should show how well a team is when they can.

So work with your squad, work with your TEAM and be a teamplayer. Or go play on the miniservers...

In the simplest possible way I can think of to explain this to you, at just about NO time at all, ever, on this server, is a squad not doing exactly as they were ordered to by the commander. Sure it happens sometimes. From my experience, and I'm sure from yours also, it usually does not last very long at all, and if it does, it at least provides us all with entertaining things to read in the banned forums.

Also please consider that there is absolutely no reason to ask your commander to fix something that isn't broke. Who would want to play to lose? Trying to play "wacky tactic of the day" can be interesting, but people always gravitate back to what works.

I wonder if anyone knows how many rounds of 2142 have been played on TTP? I'm going to take a wild guess and say 1 bazillion. I think that is quite a lot of time that people have had to play this game, learn different tactics for all the maps, and generally get a good grasp on how to play the game to win.

At first I was confused why you singled out my clan, considering these are tactics that are employed on a constant basis on the server.

After I thought about it for a moment, it made more sense why you singled out one clan. The guys gave you a serious beating and it looks like it hit your soft spot.

I would be willing to bet that there were people wearing clan tags on your side. Probably lots. But of course those are the 'good' clan folks, because they are on your team. It's just the dirty dogs that killed ya that are up to no good, is that how you see it?

I'm certain that you have probably enjoyed victories many times over against the 5th, or all the clans really. Just don't let the losses or rough spots put blinders on you. As long as everyone stays competitive and plays smart and clean, nothing but good times are to be had.

Anyways, I remember playing with you, and never had a reason not to enjoy it. Im glad you are here posting. Often lots of friendship or ties with the community are made in the end from situations like this, I just wish you had extended us the courtesy and respect we would have offered up to you.

In conclusion, please remember that although you came on the attack, and insinuated that we were 'kiddies', not one single person in the clan you singled out treated you poorly, despite the fact that you were pretty much begging for us to come and treat you poorly.